Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 If you want to be treated equal, don't request special privileges Gay people have existed for a long time, and none of them felt entitled to this sorta special area Separate is not equal You can't have both Suck it up, otherwise you're never gonna last outside your cuddly bubble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarven King Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 *shrugs* Women have their own dorms so they aren't harassed by men. Men have their own dorms so they aren't harassed by women. I fail to see why LGBT can't have their own dorm so they aren't harassed. I mean, you're saying they can't have their own dorm because it's special privileges and such. But, it's really not. Not when there are already dorm separation for other groups to avoid harassment. *shrugs* Just throwing that out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 *shrugs* Women have their own dorms so they aren't harassed by men. Men have their own dorms so they aren't harassed by women. I fail to see why LGBT can't have their own dorm so they aren't harassed. I mean, you're saying they can't have their own dorm because it's special privileges and such. But, it's really not. Not when there are already dorm separation for other groups to avoid harassment. *shrugs* Just throwing that out there. LGBTQ+....etc Where does it end? Should people with Leather Fetish (yes that is a thing) get separate dorms too? How long till gay and lesbians split? LGBT is already splitting with Trans trying desperately to get out, and L&G going open season on B for "staying in the closet" If and when LGBT splits, should trans people have different dorms than cis people? Is it financially viable? Separate is not equal, that has been established. This regression of the LGBT community to deny equality is pretty pathetic Also the difference with guys and girls is that knocking up a chick in College can be problematic, it's separated for a valid reason, and tbh that's honestly a thing of the past mostly. The vast majority of colleges don't have their primary dorms split between M/F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchermitcher Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Buddy, just walk away from this one before it gets ugly.No stop with this sheet, the guy's civilly arguing his point. The thread as a whole was very interesting to read and contemplate on up until this line. What's wrong with things getting ugly and deep? If it's done in a civil manner then it's all part of a good debate. Both sides are making good points for consideration and I'd very much like to see how this ends if it hasn't yet. On the record I have no objections against implementing a separate dorm because if a female feeling uncomfortable about living in the same place as a stranger male (a very valid reason by the way, since I don't see people arguing against female dorms), to a lesser extent I think the same should apply to a straight person feeling uncomfortable with living with a LGBT person. If may or may not lead to equality between sexualities in the long run (probably won't if what vla1ne says is right) but if the people wanting their equality choose this themselves then let them. If it turns out they're shooting themselves in the foot then let it be that. I actually agree with vla1ne's perspective on this more. Life's tough for everyone, and if you're part of the inequality then you better be willing to put in a sheet ton of effort if you want to get out of that. Equality isn't something you receive when you're born so if you want it you struggle to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 Why is sexual orientation valued more than race? If a group of white people said they wanted a separate dorm away from blacks, would that be acceptable What is irritating about this campaign is after all that the LGB community has done to progress towards equality with straights, they now demand special privileges to accommodate their needs. How in bloody hell is that equal? Why should they be treated equal if they are not?(progression from the above, not me saying such, don't lynch me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 *shrugs* Women have their own dorms so they aren't harassed by men. Men have their own dorms so they aren't harassed by women. I fail to see why LGBT can't have their own dorm so they aren't harassed. I mean, you're saying they can't have their own dorm because it's special privileges and such. But, it's really not. Not when there are already dorm separation for other groups to avoid harassment. *shrugs* Just throwing that out there. men and women are separated because they are literally two biologically different sexes. intermingling the two can lead to a drastic increase in many promiscuity related issues up to and including pregnancy and rape claims. and even then, there exist co-ed dorms in some colleges that include both parties. it is not the same as special treatment because while both sides are separated, not only is there active benefit to doing so, the downsides are nowhere near as pronounced as in this particular topic. it is also a different bag of worms compared to sexual preference related housing. there's arguments to be made there either way though. it'd be an interestng discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicmemesbro Posted May 17, 2016 Report Share Posted May 17, 2016 This is a rare occurrence for LGBT students getting their voice heard since nowadays these LGBT rights groups usually do it for them nowadays. I suppose it would be against campus policy such as that one indecent in Princeton where African Americans demanded segregation but in this case it appears to be a bigger issue that is being promoted. Then again the risk of actual hate crimes occurring is not mentioned in the article. But as I stated before, it should be noted that this is the voice of the actual LGBT community, not activists, because I noticed that many minority rights groups, such as these or the BLM movement have leaders who aren't even representative of the group that they are representing (i.e. most BLM leaders are white upper class, and LGBT activist organizers are straight and cis). For all we know there are alot more people from the trans community striving for segregated housing internationally, but we would never hear of them because these activist groups are voicing their opinion on their behalf. This makes me think that perhaps the organizers of these minority rights groups are not even accurately representing what the groups they are representing strive for. I mean if there is an actual risk of being a victim of a hate crime in integrated housing then the campus should yield to their demands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 that's why i'm in favor of the optional harassment support housing (OHS from here on out). the solution proposed in the article is not completely terrible, it does grant safety, but the problem is that even if it works in the short term, this is not the first time that this kind of attempt at segregation (albeit due to race, and other cultural factors in the past) has happened. the best solution, if this really is the route they want to take, is to make it include all harassed, not just those harassed from sexual preference. if people really need this kind of support then the two best ways to go about it would be to either make sure everybody goes at it together, or remove all problems before they occur, which is clearly impossible. at the very least, it will unify more people over more causes than just sexual orientation based harassment. your one statement though,"I mean if there is an actual risk of being a victim of a hate crime in integrated housing then the campus should yield to their demands."while definitely a legitimate concern, can be applied to many other things, do people at risk of race based hate crimes get their own dorm upon request in those circumstances? do the nerds get their own dorm to prevent another columbine occurrence? it goes for all walks, and because of that, the best option of this route it to ensure that all walks at least learn to stand together. and the best way to do so would be to promote unity among everybody against all manner of offenders by placing them together, instead of separating them. it's more beneficial, and has fewer overall negative effects in the short and long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiracleGhost47 Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 I think this was a good idea. Let's see where this takes them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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