Lunar Origins Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Cynical Twist[XUR] Instant - Arcane If this card was cast from your hand, copy it X-1 times, then return it to your hand instead of putting it in the graveyard. Splice onto Arcane — XU, pay X life "Oh. What a wondrous development." - Last words of Griggle, Goblin Technomancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Despite being a thing in hearthstone, it is pretty obvious why this sort of effect cannot exist in MTG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Wait what? Add more copies of this card? I nearly read it as copying spells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted April 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Err. Wait, I blanked while writing this. Hang up. Should just be copy this spell X times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Well... this just makes infinite copies now And when you splice it you have infinite copies of a spell that actually does something. Like burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Yeah, the copies will each resolve, copying themselves, and so on, so the moment you get 1 copy spliced onto anything you just win the game outright. Instead, I'd edit the wording to "If this spell was cast from your hand, copy it ___ times" or something similar. That way, each copy will not copy themselves while resolving since copy != cast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted April 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Oh. That works. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 This could definitely have no mana cost, per Evermind, for extra coolness. Honestly, this feels like it is simply too good with Lava Spike, or any other arcane spell. Just add R and it will recur to hand. Infinite storm count with Desperate Ritual, repeated removal with Glacial Ray, and it just makes lava spike gross. Just the copying should be enough, and even then it is pretty scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 This could definitely have no mana cost, per Evermind, for extra coolness. Honestly, this feels like it is simply too good with Lava Spike, or any other arcane spell. Just add R and it will recur to hand. Infinite storm count with Desperate Ritual, repeated removal with Glacial Ray, and it just makes lava spike gross. Just the copying should be enough, and even then it is pretty scary. Wait, wait. Let's do some math.Ritual with this card at minimum copies (x=2) equals 6 mana generated, and a net gain of 1 red.You do get infinite mana but your life total also becomes a limiting factor. But as X increases the bang for your buck becomes even better.Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Wait, wait. Let's do some math.Ritual with this card at minimum copies (x=2) equals 6 mana generated, and a net gain of 1 red.You do get infinite mana but your life total also becomes a limiting factor. But as X increases the bang for your buck becomes even better.Hmm...X=0 is infinite storm count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted April 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Adjusted mana cost. Is that any better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Even then, it just becomes too good. It gives a buyback cost of UR to any arcane spell, and with things like Glacial Ray, that is way too strong a concept. It approaches the efficiency of punishing fire and Grove of the burnwillows (arguably better, since it costs an additional U to remove the hassle of slowing down your clock). Punishing Fire was banned in modern for a reason. Effects of this sort are simply too powerful. Also this allows a 3-mana, two card combo of 7 lava spikes to the dome which is nopenopenopenope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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