vla1ne Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 just for fun, you could drop this using masked dragon to crash. other than that, if sangan comes of the list, you can search him with that i guess. and dragon's shrine can send him to grave early so that you can revive him later with something like oasis/coth or REDMD, not to mention as stated earlier, i'm pretty sure atum can drop this at the drop of a hat (if you happen to run him at all). it's not as easily searched as a blue-eyes monster, but it's definitely not too hard either. it being a 0/0 stat dragon makes sure of that. it is an overreaction to say it's broken, but it's not all that hard to access in practically any dragon build. and it not being (as far as we know) semi/nomi makes it rather spashable as far as the raigeki effect goes. there are easy outs, but it's not something that you'd like to see recurring on your opponent's side of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Void Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 WHY DOES ONE MAN NEED SO MANY VERSIONS OF ONE DRAGON. WHO THE HELL IS PRINTING ALL OF THESE BLUE-EYES RELATED CARDS FOR HIM IN THE ANIME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 man, i see all these people complaining about blue-eyes, but you guys haven't had to deal with dragonic overlord Of which there are 8 for a series/game that is only 5 years old. And one of those is technically equivalent to Alternative White. Accurate but not current. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 It's not that busted. It can't be searched consistently right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 KONAMI STOP. Seriously. This is f***ing retarded. It floats off of any blue-eyes. It DEALS HIGH BURN DAMAGE, then copies into potential 4500 ATK, THEN IT PERFORMS A RAIGEKI IF IT DIES. f***ing STOProfl what I'm positive this card isnt as bad as you think it is It's level 10 and how are you triggering the "raigeki eff" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Can Dark Magician get one of these too?man, i see all these people complaining about blue-eyes, but you guys haven't had to deal with dragonic overlord Of which there are 8 for a series/game that is only 5 years old. And one of those is technically equivalent to Alternative White. Accurate but not current. Blue-Eyes The End Dragon with machine guns and lightsabers when? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nyx Avatar Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Calm down guys. It's literally not even that fantastic. Dangerous, yes. But not worth losing your sheet over. Chaos MAX is more threatening than this. Remember: Deals with it. It can't be searched very readily because it's not a Blue-Eyes. No protection whatsoever. Lets count the different named dragons in Blue-Eyes: OG Blue eyes/Alt dragon (share the same name in grave), Blue-eyes Spirit Dragon, both fusions, stones, synchros, and the Felgrand stuff. That's, what, 8-10 tops? of course that's not taking into account the other random techs you have also brought out at some point (Dark Matter, Synchro dragons, etc), but the maximum burn this thing is going to do is somewhere around 4800-6000. That's super duper extra late game though, and by that point you've pretty much run out of all other options. In reality, you will more than likely be dealing with this somewhere before that point. The burn will be more like 1800-2400, and it will have 3000 attack at most. Yes it raigekis you, but only if you destroy it. You can tribute it, return it to hand, shuffle into deck, banish, etc. all with no consequence.This. Sure it has a lot for one card, but I'd say this more of one of those cards where they're trying too hard than to genuinely make something overpowered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 YCM Overreacting. 1/10 ------ It's a Red-Eyes Retro Dragon in Blue-Eyes form. That burns. That's literally it. It's not searchable, it's Level is awkward, and doesn't advance your gamestate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nyx Avatar Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 YCM Overreacting. 1/10 Reminds me of the Amorphactor Psycho thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Reminds me of the Amorphactor Psycho threadIndeed, though that thread was worse than this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Indeed, though that thread was worse than this one. DysonSlinky should become OverreactingSlinky :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 This. Sure it has a lot for one card, but I'd say this more of one of those cards where they're trying too hard than to genuinely make something overpowered. What people fail to realize is that Castel is likely going to already be used up by the time this would ever hit the field. as Deep-Eyes is generally going to follow a #95 play, and #95 effectively forces an out already, which is again, generally going to be Castel or Utopia, which still leaves the Blue-Eyes left over from the dumping of Ancient White Stone. Furthermore, we are entering a format where R4s are NOT prevalent (shocker, I know). Its R3s (PKBA etc.), and R3s don't really have anything that would immediately answer this card without triggering its Raigeki, esp. if it manages to get anything above 3k to where R3s can't even crash with it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 What people fail to realize is that Castel is likely going to already be used up by the time this would ever hit the field. as Deep-Eyes is generally going to follow a #95 play, and #95 effectively forces an out already, which is again, generally going to be Castel or Utopia, which still leaves the Blue-Eyes left over from the dumping of Ancient White Stone. Furthermore, we are entering a format where R4s are NOT prevalent (shocker, I know). Its R3s (PKBA etc.), and R3s don't really have anything that would immediately answer this card without triggering its Raigeki, esp. if it manages to get anything above 3k to where R3s can't even crash with it anymore. Castel hits the Dark Matter, UTL hits whatever pops out, no? Also, this card doesn't help make Spirit Dragon, it can't fuel Trade-In, it "burns" for a moderate amount (2400) that is dependent on the opponent, it can't tune with anything, it can't overlay for anything, people don't run Ultimate, so 3k is the max ATK for this thing. Also, I knew someone would eventually mention the format not being R4 intensive, but if that's the case, and BA PK is the top deck....Blue-Eyes already can rape BA with Spirit Dragon....why add this thing in? For other matchups? Kozmo got Kozmojo. Atlanteans already die to Blue-Eyes anyways, Dracopal already die to Spirit. Tellars, Nekroz, etc. are too weak for Blue-Eyes. I don't see where this is a good card right now, and there's no space anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 DysonSlinky should become OverreactingSlinky. ::If name change fiascos were still a thing, then that name would probably happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 You have 1 Castel. Blue-Eyes have multiple 3k+ monsters, Gospel of Revival for the reborn and the protection, Azure for target-blocking in the first place, Spirit for chainability to counter things, searchable Veiler and more. It's already awkward enough trying to deal with sheet without having this dropped on you after somehow clearing out the Gospels and Raigeki-ing, and your Castel is going to have to be used on a multitude of things because everything they summon is 2500+, so it's not like it's a magical all-encompassing answer. There are overreactions and then there's completely underplaying the significance of something, and neither is helpful. This existing brings in another layer of complication to trying to out these recurring already protected huge monsters who can disrupt your plays themselves to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 You have 1 Castel. Blue-Eyes have multiple 3k+ monsters, Gospel of Revival for the reborn and the protection, Azure for target-blocking in the first place, Spirit for chainability to counter things, searchable Veiler and more. It's already awkward enough trying to deal with s*** without having this dropped on you after somehow clearing out the Gospels and Raigeki-ing, and your Castel is going to have to be used on a multitude of things because everything they summon is 2500+, so it's not like it's a magical all-encompassing answer. There are overreactions and then there's completely underplaying the significance of something, and neither is helpful. This existing brings in another layer of complication to trying to out these recurring already protected huge monsters who can disrupt your plays themselves to begin with. Blue-Eyes can't make both Dark Matter and Spirit Dragon without Soul Charge. Standard opening that will happen often is either a) Dark Matterb) Spirit Dragon (or 2)c) Brick UTL doesn't care about Azure, UTL doesn't let Deep-Eyes trigger, Gospel is a good point, I suppose, but if that's the case then they have an absurdly strong board that would be hard to break regardless. This is just redundant since Gospel + Spirit is already really strong, and this is basically "monster Gospel Red-Eyes Retro.card" that is slightly more situational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 If I'm being honest, I was wondering how long it would be before people began questioning the "Castel/UtL outs it" mentality. R4 has 2 main outs to things right now, a targeted spin and a beat-over-anything Armades. Both are nice in their own right, but that's a total of 2 cards. Removing the case of multiple Castels (is that a thing?), we're kinda reaching the point where one can put up enough threats in a span of a short enough time that even if Castel can deal with one threat, a player can just bring in another to have to be dealt with. Now, I'm not saying anything regarding the worth of this card in particular (I don't run B-E, so I wouldn't know), but I feel it's really straining the amount of resources you have available for dealing with whatever the opponent throws at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Let's see... It has to be SS'd from the hand by its own effect.Only triggers off of destruction (what up UTL).Incompatible with both Gospel and Trade-In due to being level 10.Usually a 3k beater which the deck already has plenty of, maybe 4.5k if you haven't won with Ultimate yet (assuming you even run it).Dead unless you have a Blue-Eyes on the field, which already puts you in a pretty good condition, making the card come off as win-more. ...how is it even good??? It has absolutely no synergy with the rest of the deck. The only thing it has going for it is probably being the best thing to summon off of Ancient White Stone, and you can make Star Eater with it. Whoop-de-f***ing-doo. Let's risk bricking even harder for like 3 more good plays that you don't even need to win in most situations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 This probably will be one of those cards that is much better on paper than in practice. I'm actually not familiar with most of the most recent Blue-Eyes support, other than it bumped them a great deal. On paper, this thing is evil and powerful. In practice, it probably is just going to be "there" as an option and will probably not be run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Let's see... It has to be SS'd from the hand by its own effect.Only triggers off of destruction (what up UTL).Incompatible with both Gospel and Trade-In due to being level 10.Usually a 3k beater which the deck already has plenty of, maybe 4.5k if you haven't won with Ultimate yet (assuming you even run it).Dead unless you have a Blue-Eyes on the field, which already puts you in a pretty good condition, making the card come off as win-more. ...how is it even good??? It has absolutely no synergy with the rest of the deck. The only thing it has going for it is probably being the best thing to summon off of Ancient White Stone, and you can make Star Eater with it. Whoop-de-f***ing-doo. Let's risk bricking even harder for like 3 more good plays that you don't even need to win in most situations!AWS can't get it. It's not a Blue-Eyes. So even more against it. Moving on/in chorus with the above, It's unsearchable, is terrible to dump, lacks synergy with the deck, and so forth. Its name is terrible, and its effect is just a weird hand trap that gives you no physical value. Castel and UTL aren't the reason this card is mediocre, and people are missing the point if they're arguing it. It's what the card doesn't do in the deck that's noteworthy. Yes, it can end games lategame, but THAT is the somewhat scary part. The Raigeki is pretty terrible, unless you all want to complain about funking Ab0, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 AWS can't get it. It's not a Blue-Eyes. So even more against it.Ooops, I read the name as Blue-Eyes Deep White Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Yes, it can end games lategame, but THAT is the somewhat scary part. The Raigeki is pretty terrible, unless you all want to complain about funking Ab0, as well. Exactly. The only merit this card can possibly have depends completely on how rapidly you can load your name with different named dragons in order to end games out of nowhere. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less, and even then Blue-Eyes Felgrand, the deck where this would be most viable, doesn't even need that kind of power. It's a deck that can easily and consistently sheet out power plays that makes your life miserable. Why would they want to add such blatant inconsistency for a slightly faster game? Answer: they wouldn't. Card has the potential to be very scary but is so freakin conditional that who cares. The deck it's catered towards doesn't need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nyx Avatar Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 At best, this card would see one copy in a Main Deck; though, it'd be more likely to be a side Deck option (again, at only one copy) rather than used in a Main Deck. If drawn at the wrong time, it will just sit in your hand as an obsolete card that can't do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 AWS can't get it. It's not a Blue-Eyes. So even more against it. Moving on/in chorus with the above, It's unsearchable, is terrible to dump, lacks synergy with the deck, and so forth. Its name is terrible, and its effect is just a weird hand trap that gives you no physical value. Castel and UTL aren't the reason this card is mediocre, and people are missing the point if they're arguing it. It's what the card doesn't do in the deck that's noteworthy. Yes, it can end games lategame, but THAT is the somewhat scary part. The Raigeki is pretty terrible, unless you all want to complain about f***ing Ab0, as well. Overall, the card is not good, and the first page(s) is just a PRIME example of the patented "YCM Jerk Reaction" when it comes to so many cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Overall, the card is not good, and the first page(s) is just a PRIME example of the patented "YCM Jerk Reaction" when it comes to so many cards. I call it the "DysonJerk & Reps" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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