Darj Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Artifact MoralltachAttribute: LIGHTType: Fairy/EffectLevel: 5ATK: 2100DEF: 1400You can Set this card from your hand to your Spell & Trap Zone as a Spell Card. During your opponent's turn, if this Set card in the Spell & Trap Zone is destroyed and sent to your Graveyard: Special Summon it. If this card is Special Summoned during your opponent's turn: You can destroy 1 face-up card your opponent controls. I'm bringing this card up because earlier today I was thinking on how it (along the Sanctum engine) is practically held back by its Limited status, and wondering on its impact if it were to move up in the banlist to Semi-Limited, if not straight Unlimited; then HATs were recently mentioned on the banlist thread in the Theory section, so I figured this should be a good timing for discussing this Artifact. So... does this card have any impact or chance at the current metagame? Would said metagame be able to handle this on a number higher than 1? Would you personally like this card to move up? As for me, yes, I would like to see it move up, preferably straight to 3 mainly for the thrill, but I understand it is unlikely and it should be safer to bet on a Semi-Limit.Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 I mean, Scythe is retarded. I don't know why you'd want there to be 2 good artifacts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Yeah it's still too good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 I mean it's still being used in Narch decks so it's not like Moral got creeped As much as I hate Twin Twister, this isn't the way to fix that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 As much as I want artifacts back at full power, I honestly can't say it can come up. Like ever. It's just one of those cards that is way too powerful for the effort required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted April 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Is that so? I see.Now I'm wondering what sort of metagame powercreep level would it take for this card to become Unlimited. Most likely something insane, but I cannot think of anything specific; formats where everything (including Spell & Traps) float, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Deck that senergize with it well need a crotch kick...like Prime Monarch, Summon this jabroni, pop, then go into Bouncer/Furundle? Yeah I'm fine with it at one. You have more than enough good artifacts you can run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 you guys used it wrong, and got it limited, get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 you guys used it wrong, and got it limited, get used to it.Pray tell, what's the right way to use it. Chronofacts were a beautiful deck, and honestly the Nebra hit alone was enough. KOJ just wanted to push dolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Deck that senergize with it well need a crotch kick...like Prime Monarch, Summon this jabroni, pop, then go into Bouncer/Furundle? Yeah I'm fine with it at one. You have more than enough good artifacts you can run >more than enoughWhat others are there? You have Scythe (which is either hilariously overpowered, or hilariously underpowered), and Moralltach (which is limited). There's no other artifact you want to run in the engine so long as Moralltach is limited.You also have Ignition and Beagalltach which aren't even part of the engine anymore because the prime incentive of using them is now limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 >more than enoughWhat others are there? You have Scythe (which is either hilariously overpowered, or hilariously underpowered), and Moralltach (which is limited). There's no other artifact you want to run in the engine so long as Moralltach is limited.You also have Ignition and Beagalltach which aren't even part of the engine anymore because the prime incentive of using them is now limited.Since when are Ignition and Begal gone? They're still pretty common whenever artifacts show up OCG side You can argue they don't do much relative to Scythe and Moral, that I'll give you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 With Moralltach @3, you had a much higher chance of drawing it, so they also ran motifs to getting rid of them while already set.Line-up was usually 3 Moralltach, 1-2 Scythe, and 1-2 Beagalltach, 2-3 Ignition, and 3 Sanctum. However, now with Moralltach losing 2 copies, the chance of opening with an artifact was drastically reduced to the point where back-ups were no longer necessary, so it evolved down into 1 Moralltach, 2 Scythe, 1 Beagalltach, 3 Sanctum, with Ignition being dropped out completely. That eventually lead to the Beagalltach being dropped too. And if Artifacts make a surprise comeback, I doubt Beagalltach will come back, because the sheer amount of backrow (or things that can potentially hit it) hate people are running now (Twin Twisters, Breaksword, Grampulse, MST is still rampant in Kozmos who also have Sliprider, Archfiend Eccentrick etc.), its become extremely likely that they'll ram into your Artifacts anyway, thus causing it to be not necessary to run back-up scenarios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Pray tell, what's the right way to use it. Chronofacts were a beautiful deck, and honestly the Nebra hit alone was enough. KOJ just wanted to push dolls pure artifact deck shaddolls suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nyx Avatar Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 It's funny, because you usually seems so against non-targeting removal. Regardless: Is that so? I see.Now I'm wondering what sort of metagame powercreep level would it take for this card to become Unlimited. Most likely something insane, but I cannot think of anything specific; formats where everything (including Spell & Traps) float, perhaps?For that, I think destruction would have to be rendered obsolete (moreso than it already is in some cases), or there'd have to be plentiful target protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 It's funny, because you usually seems so against non-targeting removal. Regardless: For that, I think destruction would have to be rendered obsolete (moreso than it already is in some cases), or there'd have to be plentiful target protection.Moralltach doesn't target That's why it's so strong. It's non-targeting removal from the deck with 1 card, or backrow hate bait from the hand. It's too easily abused to have such powerful removal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 I miss 2014. Now it's just an Artifact of the past -*shot* ------ Card is damn good only because it doesn't target, it has Sanctum which is pretty borked, it has good typing, and is backrow bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nyx Avatar Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Moralltach doesn't target That's why it's so strong. It's non-targeting removal from the deck with 1 card, or backrow hate bait from the hand. It's too easily abused to have such powerful removalYeah; that's my point. That's why I found it funny. I never asked why it was so strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 I miss 2014. Now it's just an Artifact of the past -*shot* ------ Card is damn good only because it doesn't target, it has Sanctum which is pretty borked, it has good typing, and is backrow bait.If it did target I think it could come back to 2, maybe even 3. 3 might be pushing it though. It's still pretty dang stronk even if it DID target Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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