Does Free Speech Offend You?

[Arctic55]

Please watch video until the end.  All CnC is welcome.

 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

True in college? 

 

Yeah...sadly...I don't know though. As a Trump supporter in a private college, I've never really felt that I can't speak my mind. But there's a delicate way to do it, and I can agree that relative to, say a Bernie supporter, I have to be a lot more careful how I say it

 

The dis-invitation is disrespectful as hell. You can never improve if your solution to things that make you uncomfortable is to pretend they don't exist

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

So UH did post a ban on the constitution, didn't they? Tell me who the hell voted for those kids in the student government who proposed that sheet?

(It's around 2:26 - 2:37 in the video)

 

[Hell, I don't even know WHERE that zone is at UH, and I've been going there for four years now]

 

In theory, I'm not bothered if people want to say provocative things on campus. I might not like it if people call me a racial slur, but it'll just show that the person in question has no respect for my ethnicity. Then again, some of the college articles in the newspaper get blasted by people at times. (I seem to remember one of the writers back in 2013 wrote that having an armed campus security "scares" them)

 

In terms of the NSA email things, yeah some of us don't like the government looking into our online things (even though it's used to check for potential terrorists in light of certain events). If supporters of the NSA program don't like hearing it, then fine; just don't impose your views on us and declare that we can't say sheet that'll make you upset. 

 

If people get offended by something, well fine, but just realize that the world outside college isn't nice, and whether you like it or not, people will say stuff that you don't agree with. Yeah, we get that you don't want to hear certain things, but you can't tell the whole world that they can't say certain things because they offend you. The world isn't going to cater to your wants. 

 

More recently, someone supports Trump and is yelling "TRUMP 2016!" or something? Fine with me, that's who you're voting for. I don't think he's a good candidate right now, but your call (or even Cruz, despite my heavy dislike for him). 

 

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If you want to know why I'm distant with people IRL, this is probably why. Even people in high school weren't this touchy; despite them saying certain things at times (during breaks and whatever). 

[vla1ne]

the thing that bugged me the most in this video was that there exist such things as "free speech zones" relegating speech  to small areas just to prevent people from feeling uncomfortable is an ignorant policy.

 

pas that though, i've got rather strong opinions on disinvitations and the like, it bugs me that such a practice is growing more frequent across campuses.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

 

As much as I don't like posting reaction pics in General, this is pretty much what disinvitations and "free speech" zones amount to in a nutshell. 

 

Like I mentioned earlier, people will say things that you will not like hearing or find offensive (yes, this includes hate speech and opposing political views); what are you going to do outside of college (focusing on this because a lot of the anti-free speech sheet is coming from them)? Hate speech shouldn't be permitted, but you can't stop people from saying bad things. The most you can do is just ignore it and move on.

 

I don't like the disinvitation thing either; if you don't agree with a certain person's views, then don't attend their conference/symposium or simply leave if it's unavoidable.

 

[spoiler=In the context of UH and Hawai'i]

This would be like banning a radical pro-sovereignty activist from campus if a bunch of students and faculty don't want to hear someone suggest that we sever all ties from the United States and restore the old system. In actuality, a complete split is a terrible idea due to the loss of benefits we currently enjoy AND any economical fallout that results; considering the results that lead up to it, I would understand WHY they'd go about this, but there are no real benefits to it. Even native Hawaiians think splitting is a bad idea. 

 

I have heard that one of the professors here is very much opposed to Hawai'i being annexed by the US; think they're still around though. 

 

 

 

Or in a nutshell, a quote from Ben Franklin. 

 

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

[NotKrow]

How dare people speak what's on their mind.

[Halubaris Maphotika]

Of course it offends me. That is exactly why it should be here. funk people's happiness. Freedom of speech has no bias, and no care about other's feelings, nor should it.

[♪ ♪Aria ♪ ♪]

Even though free speech contains offensive content, we just have to accept it, since every human has it's own rights, and it is best to stay quiet rather than provoking a conflict....especially in a liberal country where freedom is at it's best.

[vla1ne]

 it is best to stay quiet rather than provoking a conflict....especially in a liberal country where freedom is at it's best.

well, freedom of speech can lead to conflicts. it's not always a bad thing. say somebody were going around sayig kill all men, and a man decides to confront said person (nonviolently of course) that's how freedom of speech works. everybody can say what's on their mind anywhere they choose (barring common sense bans, like "fire" in a crowded theater, or "kill the president" at his inauguration ). if you don't like what somebody is saying, you have a right to raise objections, and vice-versa. staying quiet is an option, but it's not always the best one.

[Power Armour]

You should be listening to as many viewpoints as possible in any situation so that you can make a well informed, balanced and morally correct decision when a time like that comes.

 

Heresy grows from ignorance.

[Simping For Hina]

I am offended that you think Free Speech is offensive.

[Spinny]

People saying their opinions like they are fact annoys me, sure, have your opinions, but i dont want to hear you if you arent willing to listen to other people's speech aswell. 

And i dont like how they called out political correctness in the video, there is a difference between freedom of speech and common decency.

Overall i dont really mind freedom of speech, just be civilized about what you say.

[Power Armour]

For all of 4chans faults, tyrannical mods and shitposting, is probably the best place to voice your opinion.

 

4chan is perfect social model of when free speech goes unchecked.

[Draconus297]

Since everyone else is apparently on the same page with this, I'll just drop one of my favorite quotes:

 

"Whilst I may not agree with what you say, I shall defend to the death your right to say it."

 

Honestly speaking, I wonder if anyone can honestly be as thin-skinned as these policies would indicate.

[Halubaris Maphotika]

For all of 4chans faults, tyrannical mods and shitposting, is probably the best place to voice your opinion.

 

4chan is perfect social model of when free speech goes unchecked.

Thanks for proving that you mostly don't spend a lot of time on 4chan.

 

Especially since 4chan is rather tame compared to a lot of other sites but people prefer to focus solely on the bad "cuz memes hurr".

[Shalltear Bloodfallen]

Free speech does not offend me.

The common interpertation of what free speech is however, annoys the hell outof me because of how hard it's being used as a scapegoat excuse instead of accepting your opinion has been challenged, and found undesireable

 

As for hate speech, yes I do think the EU, or atleast Sweden have some pretty great standards to crack down on it whenever it pops up.

Because like it or not, there's very impressionable people out there who are capable of terrible things if you nudge them correctly.

(Just look at the school "shooting" here in Sweden not too long ago, and the constant burning of homes for immigrants)

 

"If you allow the KKK to speak their mind, who's to say the next Hitler isnt among them"

 

 

We as a society cannot, and should not be trusted with complete freedom, as we've time and time again proven unable to handle it

[Power Armour]

Thanks for proving that you mostly don't spend a lot of time on 4chan.

 

Especially since 4chan is rather tame compared to a lot of other sites but people prefer to focus solely on the bad "cuz memes hurr".

 

 

/tg/ and /g/ are actually alright boards.

[chairman ali]

People mistake freedom of speech for freedom of being stupid.

[Northern Sage]

People mistake freedom of speech for freedom of being stupid.

To be fair, the government usually can't do much about stupidity either.

[chairman ali]

To be fair, the government usually can't do much about stupidity either.

 

They can improve the education system ;-)

They can add new subjects: "Logic", "Morality and Ethics", etc.

[Arctic55]

What I especially have a gripe with is the whole idea of a "Free Speech Zone".  I mean, yea, if a student if cornering people or harassing them to stuff his views down other student's throats, that should be stopped, but most of the time, people can just walk away if they don't like someone's views, or better yet, challenge them to a debate.  What it comes down to is this, these colleges want to teach what they want their students to believe, and they are willing to shut down any form of argument, because god forbid they be wrong.

 

And this whole thing with colleges getting mad about passing out Constitutions, especially on Constitution Day is dumb as hell.

[ÆƵ–]

My philosophy on this is as follows: 

 

If your free speech is (legitamately) oppressive to others, it's not free speech. Most likely, it's hate speech.

[vla1ne]

My philosophy on this is as follows: 

 

If your free speech is (legitamately) oppressive to others, it's not free speech. Most likely, it's hate speech.

no, it's still free speech. it might be hate speech as well, and everybody can object to it, but it's still protected under the law. when you back hate speech with action, then it's not free.

[ÆƵ–]

no, it's still free speech. it might be hate speech as well, and everybody can object to it, but it's still protected under the law. when you back hate speech with action, then it's not free.

 

Key word I used in that post: My philosophy. 

[chairman ali]

no, it's still free speech. it might be hate speech as well, and everybody can object to it, but it's still protected under the law. when you back hate speech with action, then it's not free.

 

And when something goes wrong people say "Oh, we should've stopped them when they were spreading their hate." Having a certain law doesn't make the action right.