Toffee. Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 I find it amusing how, if you had 3 of these in your hand, you could place 3 Counters on something per turn......I mean, it helps, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 I find it amusing how, if you had 3 of these in your hand, you could place 3 Counters on something per turn......I mean, it helps, right? All it needs is getting 3 Zushins in your hand quickly enough to matter. Good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Seems one of the better monsters to summon with this. You shouldn't expect Zushin to stick around anyway, even if you do manage to summon it. UTL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Dang, I wish this guy would become immune to A Wild Monster Appears' shuffle effect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 BTW, The Wicked Avatar and Crystal Wing Synchro Dragon can beat him in battle. EDIT: Gaia Plate doesn't affect him, so that's one less strike against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokutah Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 don't mind if it false though. i somehow giggle at this, and thus the urge follows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraneMonk Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Anyone else noticed that he only copies. Atk, and is therefore beatable by SHS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 I mean he also loses to the much more common Armades and UtL so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 I mean he also loses to the much more common Armades and UtL so. There's a funny story about that; monsters with effect immunity can blow off Armades-type effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 There's a funny story about that; monsters with effect immunity can blow off Armades-type effects. Ooooh. Then he's actually worth doing since he won't just die immediately to UtL if this is the case. That's nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Ooooh. Then he's actually worth doing since he won't just die immediately to UtL if this is the case. That's nice.Doesn't this still die to UTL because Zushin would become 3500 and then UTL would become 5000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Doesn't this still die to UTL because Zushin would become 3500 and then UTL would become 5000? Zushin's effect is mandatory, so it will activate first and resolve last. The drawing Re-Creator posted is pretty much how the damage calculation hierarchy goes; Avatar beats all of them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateIRS Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 There's a funny story about that; monsters with effect immunity can blow off Armades-type effects. Source? I would've thought such effects affected the opponent only and thus couldn't be averted with effect immunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Source? I would've thought such effects affected the opponent only and thus couldn't be averted with effect immunity. Unfortunately, it's in Japanese, but here. It's a Q&A about Azathoth vs Timaeus Knight of Destiny, which is a similar situation. There's also this; it's Pojo, but Redshift is pretty reliable with these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateIRS Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Unfortunately, it's in Japanese, but here. It's a Q&A about Azathoth vs Timaeus Knight of Destiny, which is a similar situation. There's also this; it's Pojo, but Redshift is pretty reliable with these things. Noted. Thanks. On Zushin vs Crystal Wing, the one that wins is the one that attacks, so the drawing isn't entirely accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 am i going to have to start running the wicked avatar so i can't lose in battle? also its missing the "negate the effects of the opponent's monster it battled" effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Zushin's effect is mandatory, so it will activate first and resolve last.UTL doesn't have to activate at the start of the damage step though. You could activate it after Zushin's effect has resolved, am I right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Faytl~ Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 ... Heheheheh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA. This is goddamn hilarious. Zushin, of all things. Thoroughly impossible to play, but epic if you somehow manage. Glorious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 When this card battles another monster, during damage calcuation: This card’s ATK and DEF become equal to that monster’s ATK +1000 during damage calculation only.Preeeeeeeeety sure this is a continuous effect, guys. And if that's the case... What happens if it collides with something like Wicked Avatar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Faytl~ Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Preeeeeeeeety sure this is a continuous effect, guys.And if that's the case... What happens if it collides with something like Wicked Avatar?Clearly you divide by zero and cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimateIRS Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Preeeeeeeeety sure this is a continuous effect, guys. What are you basing that on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 UTL doesn't have to activate at the start of the damage step though. You could activate it after Zushin's effect has resolved, am I right? Lightning's effect also activates during damage calculation. So I'm pretty sure you can't just wait for Zushin to finish resolving, because by then Lightning will be dead. Someone can correct me on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 A Wild Monster Appears! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaxy-EyesUser Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 I use Zushin against Utopia the Lighting in the simulator Ygopro and my zushin win's. I try to make a deck with A wild Monster Appears! and G.B. Hunter. 2x Sleeping Giant Zushin2x G.B. Hunter2x Marshmallon3x Battle Fader1x Different Dimension Capsule1x Raigeki2x A Wild Monster Appears!1x Reinforcement of the Army1x One Day of Peace2x Dark Hole1x Soul Charge1 Upstar Goblin2x Swords of Revealing Light1x Gold Sarcophagus1x Foolish Burial2x The Warrior Returning Alive1x Pot of Duality1x Twin Twister1x Wave-Motion Cannon1x Messenger of Peace1x Bottomless Trap Hole3x Interdimensional Matter Transporter1x Breakthrough Skill1x Scrap-Iron Scarecrow1x Gravity Bind1x Call of the Haunted1x Solemn Strike2x Dark BribeAnd I try to make a deck for a currently summon of Zushin. 3x Oppressed People3x Charcoal Inpachi3x Flamvell Guard1x D.D. Trainer3x Sleeping Giant Zushin2x Different Dimension Capsule1x Raigeki1x Upstar Goblin2x Swords of Revealing Light1x Gold Sarcophagus1x Pot of Duality1x Mystical Space Typhoon1x Twin Twister1x Level Limit - Area B1x Wave-Motion Cannon2X Messenger of Peace2x Heart of Clear Water1x Bottomless Trap Hole2x Breakthrough Skill1x Scrap-Iron Scarecrow1x Vanity's Emptiness1x Skill Drain1x Gravity Bind1x Solemn Strike1x Divine Wrath2x Dark Bribe Is no so good, but I'm trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 so do you think somebody's gonna take this to a tournament and prove themselves to the world with it?>Opponent happens to be being playing Kaiju ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ And if that's the case... What happens if it collides with something like Wicked Avatar?This question has been asked and unsolved for a thousand years Ok so your hand shuffles after you draw correct? So that would reset this card? RIP Upstart/Game if so. It's just another card to have for the sake of having, and Imho even if the above works, isn't great It's nice to finally have it though. Wish that it had something like banish one monster of ever level from 1-12 in your graveyard. That might have worked atleast It also would be a different card.#1-10 My error, yeah, but the summoning conditions wouldn't be like pulling off Destiny Board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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