Zushin the Sleeping Giant

[VCR_CAT]

Preeeeeeeeety sure this is a continuous effect, guys.

 

And if that's the case... What happens if it collides with something like Wicked Avatar?

 

*sigh*

 

Wicked Avatar's wording states that its ATK is always 100 more than the monster with the highest attack, which means it changes as the soonest possible moment if something gets a buff. Considering that it's mandatory activated effect (judging by its wording so far, indicated by the colon), Zushin gains the 1000 ATK once, and Avatar's attack will always be 100 higher. Avatar would always win that fight.

 

And again, the wording strongly indicates that this is an activated effected, meaning that if UTL battled Zushin, then Zushin would not be able to gain the stats at all. Really, any Armades effect would be able to stop Zushin soundly.

[heraldry_lord]

It's nice to finally have it though. Wish that it had something like banish one monster of ever level from 1-12 in your graveyard. That might have worked atleast

 

It also would be a different card.

[Miror B]

Preeeeeeeeety sure this is a continuous effect, guys.

 

And if that's the case... What happens if it collides with something like Wicked Avatar?

If it has that colon after translation then it's not continuous

[Sleepy]

Who doesn't wanna try to Summon it? as impractical as it might be....

I think maybe an engine of Dust Knights and Warrior Returning Alive, combined with Foolish Burial, Gold Sarcophagus, and a couple of Prediction Princess Coinnorma.

Maybe sparkle it all with a few techs like Pot of the Forbidden and Burst Rebirth (god this is already sounding pretty situational).

 

It is a plain old OPT clause, maybe it can be accelerated with Pyro Destiny Clocks? It'd take a few turns to set-up even like this, but it'd be worth it.

[UltimateIRS]

It is a plain old OPT clause, maybe it can be accelerated with Pyro Destiny Clocks?

 

...How? It doesn't involve a turn count.

[Sleepy]

...How? It doesn't involve a turn count.

 

Just asking because I'm not sure on some of the specifics of Pyro Clock. I know it doesn't work to reset cards that activate during specific phases like "During your Standby Phase", but not sure on when the card just bluntly says "OPT", and if not, what is the reasoning behind why it doesn't?

Mostly throwing ideas out.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Who doesn't wanna try to Summon it? as impractical as it might be....

I think maybe an engine of Dust Knights and Warrior Returning Alive, combined with Foolish Burial, Gold Sarcophagus, and a couple of Prediction Princess Coinnorma.

Maybe sparkle it all with a few techs like Pot of the Forbidden and Burst Rebirth (god this is already sounding pretty situational).

 

It is a plain old OPT clause, maybe it can be accelerated with Pyro Destiny Clocks? It'd take a few turns to set-up even like this, but it'd be worth it.

If Trishula says the hand has to be random, and this card remains revealed in the hand, Trishula's hand effect cannot be random.

 

Shuffling the hand would randomize it and this card cannot be revealed if it is to be truly random.

 

If you could search 10 times in a turn, you'd be able to shuffle your hand 10 times, and get this cards effect 10 times then?

[Sleepy]

If Trishula says the hand has to be random, and this card remains revealed in the hand, Trishula's hand effect cannot be random.

 

Shuffling the hand would randomize it and this card cannot be revealed if it is to be truly random.

 

If you could search 10 times in a turn, you'd be able to shuffle your hand 10 times, and get this cards effect 10 times then?

 

Did you quote the wrong post? idgi.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Did you quote the wrong post? idgi.

Was trying to suggest (maybe) a way to summon it

[Sleepy]

Was trying to suggest (maybe) a way to summon it

Hmm 

if you activate Golden Ladybug's effect (for 1 having 2+ copies in hand) and your opponent used Lightforce Sword, it ended up hitting a Ladybug, and you were still on your Standby Phase:

-Do you have to confirm the number of Ladybugs you have to demonstrate you can activate the other(s)?

-Can you just activate them all without the game being able to demonstrate confirmation on which one did it already after the randomizing process?

Just something that occurred to me because of your post, though I should have probably gone to the ruling questions for this one, as unusual as the scenario might be..... In fact, Lightforce Sword banishes face-down but aaaanyways....

Though the giant is also that sort of OPT effect that is used from the hand.

 

.___________.

[Miror B]

If Trishula says the hand has to be random, and this card remains revealed in the hand, Trishula's hand effect cannot be random.

 

Shuffling the hand would randomize it and this card cannot be revealed if it is to be truly random.

 

If you could search 10 times in a turn, you'd be able to shuffle your hand 10 times, and get this cards effect 10 times then?

Randomizing by something such as a die roll would solve this problem.

 

Also safe to say shuffling the hand does not make him unrevealed.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Randomizing by something such as a die roll would solve this problem.

 

Also safe to say shuffling the hand does not make him unrevealed.

Hand would not be random if he is revealed 

 

ie. Trishula vs a hand with Giant

[Miror B]

Hand would not be random if he is revealed 

 

ie. Trishula vs a hand with Giant

Hand = 6 cards.

 

Instead of picking, roll a die. 1 far left, 2 = next card, 3 =next one over etc.

 

If less than 6, adjust and reroll if needed.

 

That is random.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Hand = 6 cards.

 

Instead of picking, roll a die. 1 far left, 2 = next card, 3 =next one over etc.

 

If less than 6, adjust and reroll if needed.

 

That is random.

Hmm you're right....so maybe something like Phantom Hand or Reload...maybe find some way to fuel Monster Reincarnation? I'm sure there's a loop that would let you do it in a turn

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVnNPZGnR04

[Miror B]

[snip]

Yea that does work, but now you gotta try and get that to be consistent in a 40 card deck instead of 22

[VCR_CAT]

So, overall, Zushin is the modern day Armityle/Sophia monster

 

Not that I'm complaining; I'm totally down with another "Achievement Monster".

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

So, overall, Zushin is the modern day Armityle/Sophia monster

 

Not that I'm complaining; I'm totally down with another "Achievement Monster".

Sophia is pretty easy to summon TBH. Shaddoll running Herald (Ark light can easily tech a claus to make it)

[IQuitDolphin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVnNPZGnR04

You mean "I can do it cause I can hack the game."

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

You mean "I can do it cause I can hack the game."

 

Just run 3 Upstart, 3 Chicken Game, and 3 Pseudo Space

 

*Shot*

[Draconus297]

If and when I pull a Zushin, I will try my hardest to Summon it at least once.

[Neutrality Man]

Preeeeeeeeety sure this is a continuous effect, guys.

 

And if that's the case... What happens if it collides with something like Wicked Avatar?

 

Whoever attacked loses the game for causing an infinite recalculation loop. Like using Pole Position with an Equip Spell card that boosts ATK.

 

That is, of course, assuming Zushin's official translation matches how the anime stat mod worked (Zushin dropped to 1000 ATK whe it attacked a Stardust that got 0'd mid-battle.)

[vla1ne]

Whoever attacked loses the game for causing an infinite recalculation loop.

best way to lose imo.

[Miror B]

Whoever attacked loses the game for causing an infinite recalculation loop. Like using Pole Position with an Equip Spell card that boosts ATK.

 

That is, of course, assuming Zushin's official translation matches how the anime stat mod worked (Zushin dropped to 1000 ATK whe it attacked a Stardust that got 0'd mid-battle.)

No I'm pretty sure in a case like that, the card that's causing the loop would be destroyed by the game mechanics hating infinite loops (like pole position would be destroyed in that case).

[Neutrality Man]

No I'm pretty sure in a case like that, the card that's causing the loop would be destroyed by the game mechanics hating infinite loops (like pole position would be destroyed in that case).

Just checked, turns out you're correct. The Loop card self-destructs by mechanics. That ruling appears to have been changed since the last time I looked.

 

The current rulings on Pole Position's version of these loops is: "You cannot voluntarily cause an infinite loop. If you do so by accident, rewind the gamestate to the last valid moment. If game mechanics cause the loop, self-destruct Pole Position with no death of monster."