Chicken Game

[Blake]

 

DEAD AND GOOOONE

[IQuitDolphin]

I'm so glad the cancer that is Magical Explosion FTK is now officialy nonexistent.

[evil cucumber]

they just forced a lot of decks to play 8 more cards to fill in the blank spaces.

[~British Soul~]

Good bloody riddance quite frankly

[Maeriberii Haan]

>hitting this instead of magical explosion or both

 

well i guess that's a pretty chicken move for them, isn't it

[玄魔の王]

>hitting this instead of magical explosion or both

 

well i guess that's a pretty chicken move for them, isn't it

Chicken Game is a problem card that a lot of decks can exploit. Like Silenth just said, it was part of an 8-card engine that existed just to thin the deck.

[Hallohallo]

I'm laughing so hard right now. Didn't expect it to be banned though. I was expecting at least to be limited, but owell.

[Maeriberii Haan]

shush I was just trying to make a pun

 

Still unsure of whether i like this ban to be honest. Probably wouldn't feel as conflicted as this if there's a lot more generic engine-like cards around, but most of those are getting hit lately.

[Slinky]

I'll admit, I'm a little salty at this getting banned, but good riddance anyway.

[Kingdom Xathers]

I'll admit, I'm a little salty at this getting banned, but good riddance anyway.

Same; while I now have to update my Super Quantum deck on DevPro, I can at least breathe a little easier knowing one degenerate OTK has been snuffed out.

[ENMaker]

Preface: I love this card and am quite pissed about this. Quite kneejerk but I doubt my sentiment will change.

 

For funk sake. Why does this need to be banned, let alone on the list at all. Yes you can run 3 Upstart 2 Terraforming 3 Chicken wooo 32 card deck too strong. Only it's not because if it was actually that relevant you'd see every deck running it, but somehow you don't, because archetypes have their own searchers and deck thinners, and the only thing this does is help boost the relative power level of combo-oriented decks by allowing them reach their pieces faster.

 

Seriously, what relevance did this actually have? All I'm aware of is the Monarch FTK that actually did something, and in that case... funking, why is this the hit. Why not the funking Life Equalizer of Magical Explosion, you know, the actual win condition. Why are you hitting the cards that generically enable and bolster a load of decks that would otherwise be too slow or unreliable to function decently, and just generically improve consistency, instead of the 1 retarded combo that exists that makes it supposedly list-worthy.

 

Look, this is a perfectly fair card. You play it, pay 1000, draw 1. Now what. In theory you've gone +1 but you've done it by using what is now a dead card that protects your opponent. If you can't do anything to get it off the field, you're funked, because your opponent will get the draw and then your supposed plus is evened and arguably becomes a minus. If you have another field spell to replace it with great, but if it's Pseudo Space then you're probably going for the ftk anyway in which case ban the fucks themselves not this.

 

Basically my point is, all my archetype decks I've used since this card's release, I've used it in maybe 1 and then cut it. Combo decks it's in everything and they're all totally dead now because I've to come up with 7 new cards where the Terra/Upstart/Chicken engine was. This is by and large not needed by any modern archetypes because they have their own consistency engines and adding this engine would require scrapping elements to boost the speed at which you can access what remains. It requires intelligent use outside of the shitty otk/ftk too but I'm just so sad now that this has happened and I've sworn a lot and someone please kill me because my decks are already dead anyway.

[Blake]

I mean, this was a major part of why Pendulum still worked in the OCG.

 

Between Persona Dragon (not TCG legal) and Sky Iris abuse, even with 0 Monkey + 1 Sorc the deck worked.

 

It makes sense that they kicked its knees out, though it likely didn't matter.

[Lonk]

 

Konami's blade... it did not cut deep enough.

[~~~~]

I think they should have Limited this to kill the engine and banned Upstart instead.

[Toffee.]

Isn't it common knowledge that generic draw engines, assuming they are THAT easy to abuse, are doomed to get list attention at some point?

[Althemia]

For funk sake. Why does this need to be banned, let alone on the list at all. Yes you can run 3 Upstart 2 Terraforming 3 Chicken wooo 32 card deck too strong. Only it's not because if it was actually that relevant you'd see every deck running it, but somehow you don't, because archetypes have their own searchers and deck thinners, and the only thing this does is help boost the relative power level of combo-oriented decks by allowing them reach their pieces faster.

First point that I feel like needs to be addressed is that you took way too many liberties on the 32 card deck idea because hey Pseudo Space does theoretically exist and it's a card that some of those decks actually played so you're actually playing a significantly smaller deck than your opponent when you factor in that you can play ~6 copies of Chicken Race + 3 Upstart which leads you to have under a 30 card deck with any reasonable opening hand. If there was ever ANY DECK that could properly abuse this (ie AFD) then Chicken Game would have been one of the first things to get banned regardless. They're simply learning from their lessons way ahead of time as this card has already proven how stupid it is. It's not used in any actually good decks bar OTK/FTK decks.

 

Even on a design principle it's pretty flawed. While Chicken Game is on the board, it creates one of the dumbest game states ever. You pay 1000 to draw 1. If your opponent wants to then do anything to you, they have to pay 1000 in order to destroy it otherwise you just cannot die. This means that basically any half-assed combo deck gets carried the extra mile unless your opponent chooses to destroy it. If you both pay 1000, then that makes Chicken Game a significantly better Upstart because hey you only need a draw or two to get started in a lot of the considerable combo decks.

 

Shrug, good riddance to the card. Hopefully it never sees the light of day again, creates one of the most unfun game states ever. zzz

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I mean, this was a major part of why Pendulum still worked in the OCG.

 

Between Persona Dragon (not TCG legal) and Sky Iris abuse, even with 0 Monkey + 1 Sorc the deck worked.

 

It makes sense that they kicked its knees out, though it likely didn't matter.

Aren't you overselling this a little mate? The deck works because Kerin can out just about anything with little to no fear for itself. If this were as big of an impact as you're making it out to be, people would be playing 3, not 0-1, sometimes 2...and a lot of things still "work" Pendulums are currently lower than both Heros, Narchs, Kroz, and Qlis...and qlis don't even run this sheet (but they do run upstart).

 

Am I saying it's a bad ban? Nah. But it's not the best one when a limit for it, and a ban for Equalizer would have solved many many problems in the future.

[Neochu-H]

during my turn if my opponent still had this on the field, ITS GONE

[Trebuchet MS]

By the way, if anyone's trying to make a point about shutting down Royal Magical Library draw loop FTKs (which Magical Explosion generally is), I feel that RML is the problem child that must be hit to take down every single one of them at once.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Limiting games works there too. If you consider 3 Games =6 draws from space, then 1 game 1 upstart greatly weakens the draw engine that is RML.

 

It might have been pre-preemptive as Black suggests, but doesn't make it an unnecessary ban

[Sunshine Jesse]

I actually think that, at its core, this card had good design behind it. It was a card that, in theory, forced interaction and decision-making on a level that most other cards don't.

 

But the effects are also entirely too powerful/generic/useful/(adjective of choice) to actually be healthy for the game, proving that Konami can't even do player interaction right and thus made the choices you had to make far too linear.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I actually think that, at its core, this card had good design behind it. It was a card that, in theory, forced interaction and decision-making on a level that most other cards don't.

 

But the effects are also entirely too powerful/genetic/useful/(adjective of choice) to actually be healthy for the game, proving that Konami can't even do player interaction right and thus made the choices you had to make far too linear.

It's better than upstart in that it's a "free" draw (Draw, pay 1k, opponent pays 1k to destroy)

 

Weaker in that it's a field spell that can be mst'd or such

 

That card is really fine at 1 IMO, but apparently not

[Slinky]

I actually think that, at its core, this card had good design behind it. It was a card that, in theory, forced interaction and decision-making on a level that most other cards don't.

 

But the effects are also entirely too powerful/genetic/useful/(adjective of choice) to actually be healthy for the game, proving that Konami can't even do player interaction right and thus made the choices you had to make far too linear.

 

I agree.

Who in their right mind would pay 1000 to give your opponent 1000 without anything else happening? 

 

Really feel as though the card would have been fine if it had a hard OPT, so you couldn't place copies over it or Pseudo Space it.

[TF2_The_Scout]

I agree.

Who in their right mind would pay 1000 to give your opponent 1000 without anything else happening? 

 

Really feel as though the card would have been fine if it had a hard OPT, so you couldn't place copies over it or Pseudo Space it.

Nurse Burn and Hope For Escape? That's all I got.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I agree.

Who in their right mind would pay 1000 to give your opponent 1000 without anything else happening? 

 

Really feel as though the card would have been fine if it had a hard OPT, so you couldn't place copies over it or Pseudo Space it.

And what would a limit be ringo?

 

At best someone would be able to resolve it twice with space

 

It was an cautious hit (as black noted) like OCG's Monkey ban, not necessarily wrong, but the fact they scapegoated it to save another card in Equalizer pisses me off

 

It's really no worse than upstart and could have easily gotten away with being limited IMO