Traumatizing Incident at Emory University

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYpgRqVixCg

 

IN CHALK NO LESS

 

Like guys, this has gone too far. We're making people uncomfortable. The First Amendment has got to go

[Delibirb]

I'm really confused.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I'm really confused.

It's the growing sheltered trend in my/our generation. 

 

Our feelings are of the most importance over anything else.

 

So some people wrote Trump 2016 in Chalk, and suddenly you're not ALLOWED to have that opinion.

 

It just highlights how terrible our culture has gotten that we have sacrificed our founding values (1st Amendment) for "progression" 

[Icy]

The First Amendment has got to go

 

The first amendment does not entitle the kids who "are afraid of people who like Trump" into making the rules/laws. It is your superiors, bosses and lawmakers. Nothing to do with Free Speech.

 

The First Amendment will stay.

 

EDIT: In fact, these kids stating that their feelings are hurt and making it known is just part of the beauty. But coddling them is not up to us. It's up to people who are in a position to dismiss it or engage it.

[Delibirb]

That's what I thought, but for a second it sounded like you were in support of the college students freaking out, thus my confusion.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

The first amendment does not entitle the kids who "are afraid of people who like Trump" into making the rules/laws. It is your superiors, bosses and lawmakers. Nothing to do with Free Speech.

 

The First Amendment will stay.

You're missing the problem. This was chalk, nothing more. It can't even be considered as vandalism or permanent. The fact that people react to explosively to the existence of views that don't align with their own is the problem

That's what I thought, but for a second it sounded like you were in support of the college students freaking out, thus my confusion.

I was being sarcastic, and apparently did a poor job at it

[mido9]

 

I'd REALLY like to see a few of these college students walk through a ghetto, or a local medina in I dont know, molenbeek or something

[Icy]

You're missing the problem. This was chalk, nothing more. It can't even be considered as vandalism or permanent. The fact that people react to explosively to the existence of views that don't align with their own is the problem

I was being sarcastic, and apparently did a poor job at it

 

It can be considered vandalism depending on the property owners or district, state or federal laws.

And so? It's the nature of human kind. I want to explode at you because at least in my eyes, you seem to treat your fellow humans as game. I don't though because I obviously don't know the whole story and it'd be unbecoming of me anyway. But not everyone has that level of restraint and that's fine too. If they start attacking people or bullying them then they will be charged with crimes of assault, defamation or otherwise. But their right to free speech will be retained from now until the day the sun burns out. 

[VampireofDarkness]

I'm just going to drop this on by before this gets into something that people actually take too seriously http://www.snopes.com/emory-students-trump-graffiti/

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Fear-mongering on both sides. :\

 

He who values security (whether from Trump supporters or "Morlocks") over freedom deserves neither. 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I'm just going to drop this on by before this gets into something that people actually take too seriously http://www.snopes.com/emory-students-trump-graffiti/

I also said NOTHING about E-Services? 

 

I'm merely criticizing the outlandish reactions of people to the excising of the first amendment 

[Tourmaline]

Fear-mongering on both sides. :\

 

He who values security (whether from Trump supporters or "Morlocks") over freedom deserves neither.

Anyone with worthwhile education ought understand at least the social contract.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Fixing this growing issue of 'Freedom of Speech' is achievable without actually getting rid freedom of speech. Because the event that Maher is talking about here is just a bunch of idiot kids acting like idiots. That's not grounds to dismantle one of the basic rights that modern societies have fought for at various points for decades, thinking it is is just as much an over-reaction as the kids reactions to Trump. 

 

Essentially it's just a vocal minority of idiots holding slightly too much sway. Which is a problem, but it's not something that's been missing from society before now. It's just more noticeable because of the internet. 

[Dad]

*glares at Tumblr*

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Fixing this growing issue of 'Freedom of Speech' is achievable without actually getting rid freedom of speech. Because the event that Maher is talking about here is just a bunch of idiot kids acting like idiots. That's not grounds to dismantle one of the basic rights that modern societies have fought for at various points for decades, thinking it is is just as much an over-reaction as the kids reactions to Trump.

 

Essentially it's just a vocal minority of idiots holding slightly too much sway. Which is a problem, but it's not something that's been missing from society before now. It's just more noticeable because of the internet.

 

I think you misunderstood my bad sarcasm. People being so agressive to shut down the oppositions thoughts (in this case said opposition being Trump Supporters) is THE death of FoS in action. The fact that Maher is in a minority to oppose something like this is what's terrifying

 

Dad kinda nailed it, the Tumblr culture is spreading and with it, it will kill discussion and FoS creating a stale authoritarian group think

 

It's ironic cause these people want "acceptance" but the reality is they want ONLY their views to be accepted.

[Zauls]

I've experienced people like this from time to time while at uni. There are a small minority who blow every little thing anyone says out of proportion and takes it personally. They're offended by other peoples' opinions. They think they require "safe spaces" where they can go to meet other people who are terrified that someone might disagree with them. And I have no idea where this whole "triggering" thing kicked off, like what the hell does that even mean?

 

Though what I will say is that it's not a whole generation, it's just a minority in said generation. If most people see "Trump 2016" chalked on a pavement, they'd probably chuckle, assume whoever did it was drunk, move on with their lives and mind their own business.

[Tojin]

And I have no idea where this whole "triggering" thing kicked off, like what the hell does that even mean?

 

IIRC it started as a term to refer to things like someone who survived a massive fire being afraid of open flames, or someone who was abused as a child fearing physical contact, and suchlike. Then the vocal minority you mentioned (who, yes, were/are mostly on Tumblr) grabbed hold of it and started using it to describe anything that offended them even slightly, to the point that if you say that something "triggers" you, and it actually does, rather than just being offensive to your personally, you'll likely get scoffed at and turned away because people think you're part of that vocal minority.

[StellarNova]

@Winter: the Sarcasm in your first post was actually very good. Not sue why some others didn't get it immediatly. As for the debate, almost everything worth saying has already been said, so I'll close by saying that only acts which actively or inactively cause physical or material harm should be punishable.

 

Visualization: A Journalist writing an article saying that say, a minority is bad and that they're parasites or whatever, fine, if in bad taste.

                      A Demagogue whipping up a mob in front of a ghetto or community center belonging to said minority, not okay. That's what security services are for.

[a bad post]

*glares at Tumblr*

 

I think you misunderstood my bad sarcasm. People being so agressive to shut down the oppositions thoughts (in this case said opposition being Trump Supporters) is THE death of FoS in action. The fact that Maher is in a minority to oppose something like this is what's terrifying

 

Dad kinda nailed it, the Tumblr culture is spreading and with it, it will kill discussion and FoS creating a stale authoritarian group think

 

It's ironic cause these people want "acceptance" but the reality is they want ONLY their views to be accepted.

As an actual tumblr user I'd like to point out that before coming hear I did a little tumblr research, and by that I mean searching through the tag for Emory University, and after exhausting the entire tag there where perhaps 2 posts mentioning this incident, one of which was mocking what happened, the other of which was neutral in its tone. I have seen the ugly side of tumblr and what it can do, however I'd like to remind everyone that not every SJW/Extreme PC thing comes out of tumblr.

 

Also as Darkness pointed out this story is 90% false. The words  “Safe space,” “emergency counseling,” “traumatized,” “triggered,” “coddling,” etc. came entirely from the comments section of the original story, and since then news media websites have run with it using it mock college students and this generation in general. If you do a little research you can find out what actually happened was the graffiti had been specifically in places where PoC student groups where known to gather, and thus these students perceived as a threat to themselves. There was no need for "emergency counseling" or any of that sort, and most of this story is trumped (pun very much intended) up media garbage.

[Snatch Steal]

Blackened Carnage, on 29 Mar 2016 - 3:00 PM, said:

 

I'm just going to drop this on by before this gets into something that people actually take too seriously http://www.snopes.co...trump-graffiti/

 

 

 

 WHAT'S FALSE: "Emergency counseling" was offered to or demanded by students; Emory students complained that their "safe spaces" had been violated; students were afraid of or traumatized by the chalk markings.

 

I mean, considering this, it looks like both sides were utilizing their right to free speech.

 

We could always just not give a sheet and let people fling poo at each other without being old fashioned arseholes (which no one was) or triggered crybabies (which no one was)

[Delibirb]

 

Blackened Carnage, on 29 Mar 2016 - 3:00 PM, said:

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, considering this, it looks like both sides were utilizing their right to free speech.

 

We could always just not give a s*** and let people fling poo at each other without being old fashioned arseholes (which no one was) or triggered crybabies (which no one was)

 

You mean like British Parliament?