Reasoning

[Kaiji]

 

Your opponent declares a monster Level. Excavate cards from the top of your Deck until you excavate a monster that can be Normal Summoned/Set. If that monster is the same Level as the one declared by your opponent, send all excavated cards to the Graveyard. If not, Special Summon the excavated monster, also send the remaining cards to the Graveyard.

 

Gold Rare cause they bendy so u know exactly where they are in ur infernoid dek

 

 

It occurred to me how easily "generic" this card comes across as its literally a free summon from the deck at its core. It's one of the few cards right now that increase the "ceiling" of a deck at the moment between:

• Brilliant Fusion
• Instant Fusion
• Emergency Teleport
• Soul Charge

As well as the Pendulum Mechanic though not always inclusive.

 

Clearly its not a "free summon" in every case as you can call the number right and your opponent will usually gain nothing (this is not necessarily the case as the cards milled can be favorable for the opponent or the monster sent to grave will trigger an effect anyway)

 

This card may appear "random" but I believe we are quickly heading into an environment where Reasoning's drawback can be ignored and won't matter.

 

At the time this card went to 3 only Infernoid played it, therefore you could easily conclude which is the correct number to call. But as the number of decks that include this card increase so do the average number of levels you will have to choose from to call it right, especially if its activated on a blind T1.

 

Between these decks that the card has seen play in...

• Monarchs
• Quantum
• Kozmo
• Galaxy http://duelistgroundz.com/index.php?showtopic=167493

...I.m not really sure if those decks are intentionally exploiting this relationship (I usually see people  include Reasoning from a micro perspective ie they run a bunch of levels which is still valid but there's a bigger picture)

 

Rank 4 stigma or even Konami releasing Rank 4s also contribute to the average player's mentality that the correct number to call is 4. An example of me taking advantage of this is activating Brilliant Fusion sending Trick Clown and Garnet, then activating Reasoning. Most of the time, the average player will call 4 and lose out as I board a Quantum (even in the case of green layer I only run 1 copy).

 

Also Kaiji loves to gamble

[Blake]

Img broke btw.

 

Honestly, it's an insane card, and it does give itself to letting you mindgame your opponent to some degree. It's one of those cards that only gets better with age, despite initially weakening with it, somehow.

 

Unfortunately(?), I often find myself wanting to call 3 with it. Just keep running into decks full of 3s with it, even though I definitely don't feel like 3 is optimal.

[Spinny]

Img broke btw.

 

Honestly, it's an insane card, and it does give itself to letting you mindgame your opponent to some degree. It's one of those cards that only gets better with age, despite initially weakening with it, somehow.

 

Unfortunately(?), I often find myself wanting to call 3 with it. Just keep running into decks full of 3s with it, even though I definitely don't feel like 3 is optimal.

Against a deck like kozmo you really just have to call the worst outcome (I.e 8, because dark destroyer isnt fun), because the levels are so unpredictable. obviously it's circumstancial though.

[Toffee.]

Not to seem like I'm nitpicking-

Why does the OP list Galaxies? Since when were they relevant?

[Slinky]

With Kozmo, you either call 3 (Farmgirl, Soartroopers/Ghost Ogre/other techs) or 8 (Dark Destroyer). That said, most Kozmo builds have been shying away from Reasoning ever since Tincan became a thing. 

[Kaiji]

Not to seem like I'm nitpicking-

Why does the OP list Galaxies? Since when were they relevant?

there's a link next to the list to avoid this type of question, i never said i was listing relevant decks ie quantum

 

tho yeah its a funny deck which i thought was worth sharing 

With Kozmo, you either call 3 (Farmgirl, Soartroopers/Ghost Ogre/other techs) or 8 (Dark Destroyer). That said, most Kozmo builds have been shying away from Reasoning ever since Tincan became a thing. 

Nah, you call 1 if its blind to avoid Tin Can they arent necessarily mutually exclusive

 

5 if you have any strikes or they have another Sliprider on board

 

8 I assume is the typical call but i usually ignore it because u can follow up with Lightning the following turn (I guess the rule is if your board gets demolished by DD's pop?)

[Yuuji Kazami]

Favourite card in Kozmos, that's all I'm going to say lol. 

[Face McShooty]

It's fun to troll people with this in Quantums, it's awesome when you play one your first turn, which you'd think your opponent would know not to let you go first, first I have red layer on the field thanks to its Summoning effect, they call a higher level than what you have in your deck, then another red layer out due to Reasoning, Xyz Magnaliger and you're pretty much set

[The Warden]

I've been using it in Dark Magicians and Magician Girls, and it's been proving rather effective so far.

[Toffee.]

there's a link next to the list to avoid-

I had clicked it; I still don't really get it.

I mean, if the OP is going to note Decks with varied Levels, then plenty of them can also be listed.

[Tinkerer]

Reasoning, the first card I gave to my youngest brother. He still has it, though it's really beat up.

 

This is definitely one of those power spells/generic enablers that'll continue growing in power with the game. Definitely one of my favorites.

 

On another note, do Monarchs use this at all?

[Kaiji]

Yeh, make sure to call 6 tho, if they set a card that's a huge signal that they intend to hit Kuraz with Reasoning

 

the level 8s are basically 2800 vanillas, and im not sure if edea is played in the same build (most likely its cut to take advantage of the fact that you would likely beeline to call 1)

[~~~~]

You call 8 against Kozmo because if they do get the Dark Destroyer, it can pop itself to get any of the lower levels anyway.

[玄魔の王]

Just realised I need to try this in DDD.

[Blake]

Just realised I need to try this in DDD.

guy did this to me

 

got kepler and managed to make Crystal Wing + Siegfried + Beowulf (idk why this wasn't d'arc) + Temujin + Alexander in one turn from it.

[The Warden]

How the hell did he do that from Kepler?

[Kaiji]

i figure that freed up a normal summon for him, most likely opened up slime + necro to make temujin, and he could search lamia

 

prob made meteorburst using temujin + lamia and used Armageddon as a target for meteorburst

 

not sure what exactly he normal'd (probably lamia)

 

edit: "armageddon" should be abyss ragnarok rip

[Blake]

i figure that freed up a normal summon for him, most likely opened up slime + necro to make temujin, and he could search lamia

 

prob made meteorburst using temujin + lamia and used Armageddon as a target for meteorburst

 

not sure what exactly he normal'd (probably lamia)

Pretty much this. I think he NS'd lamia, but I was too in awe at what happened to remember exactly.

 

I do remember his opening was Slime, Abyss Rag, I think Leonidas, and something else. Managed to resummon Lamia multiple times over.

[ENMaker]

Why did I not think of this in DDD it's so obvious reading this now there's stuff of basically all levels.

[Kaiji]

well the idea works mostly because lamia doesn't restrict you to fiends, and abyss ragnarok is an amazing meteorburst target

 

there's some cute shenanigans involved with Reasoning like temujin being able to grab milled Contracts so you dont have to search for them, worst case scenario you hit Slime but at least kepler + slime off Swamp King manages to stick them where u want 'em

 

also dont pitch this idea to BGMEME CEO FOUNDER OF D/D/D CORPORATION, hes not a fan of "RECKLESS MILLING OMFG"

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Idea gets veilered. Tribute for monster get? Get rekt jabroni.

 

Monarchs have 4 levels ATM, and most people will call 6? You can use that to your advantage. Literally no reason to call 1 cause lol Idea

 

Shame both it and gate got funked by the list