Sheep or Wolf?

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

I've given this a lot of thought. And you often hear the term "sheep" with negative connotations. And it's also often followed up as "I'd rather be a wolf than a sheep" or something similar.

But I was thinking about it. Which is actually better?

Sure, as a sheep you're following someone, but they're someone who treats you well. You live a safe and generally happy life. And all you have to do is give a bit as a sort of payment.

And as a wolf, there's a leader, who is not chosen because they're the best for the pack, but because they are the most aggressive personality, and strong enough to take the lead. As a wolf, if you're not the best, you're still forced to follow.

 

More or less the idea is that...Not everything is as it seems at first, and there's many different ways to think about common thoughts/ideas/phrases and so on.

 

The discussion here is...I suppose, what's your take on the idea of wolf vs sheep?

[Susie]

This whole thing is pretty ridiculous if you ask me, cant generalize people into two different types therell always be a few grey zones, no such thing as "sheep or wolf"

[Snatch Steal]

Remember Hitler?

 

...Uh, yeah, maybe I don't get the analogy. My take on it is, like you said, a sheep is someone who follows someone else and is very docile, while a wolf paves its own way and eats sheep and doesn't take sheet

 

To be honest, I think I have experience with both of these personality types. To no one's surprise, I'm a welcome mat IRL, but on here...

 

I say it's up to personality. If there are no leaders, then there can be no followers, but if there are no followers, then being a leader doesn't matter.

[Raine]

It's a question of narcissistic self progression perhaps at the cost of others, or a harmonious relationship where you sacrifice what may be best for yourself for a community. I don't think people are one or the other, it depends on the situation. For example, may people see their work lives are wolfish where you have to progress and achieve success to achieve stability and personal wealth, where as people tend to be sheeps around their family and friends where the cost of hurting or losing them outweighs what they may gain from something. Harmony versus self-achievement varies and the world isn't black and white but American culture at least promotes Wolfish-behavior in the workplace and economically and Sheep-ish behavior at home.

[epicmemesbro]

The "flock of sheep" could also refer to people hopping the bandwagon; with having little genuine opinion and preferring others making choices and having opinions for them.

A wolf on the other hand preyed upon sheep which could allude to them taking advantage of those who follow, but wouldn't that mean the wolf leads the sheep? This is a bit contradictory due to the wolf being a metaphore for someone who breaks the status quo... I suppose the term "wolf in sheep's clothing" covers that gray area.But I think that is for someone who appears docile but in reality is more aggressive than they seen to be rather than being a metaphore for someone who doesn't follow and doesn't go their own way...

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Sheep try to overwhelm by number

 

Wolves by power

 

It's a gray area, but IK where I'd like to fall

[Susie]

Sheep try to overwhelm by number

 

Wolves by power

 

It's a gray area, but IK where I'd like to fall

 

I dunno why but I have a feeling that youd like to fall under wolf

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Sheep try to overwhelm by number

 

Wolves by power

 

It's a gray area, but IK where I'd like to fall

Sheep don't try overwhelm by numbers. Sheep work together in peace. They don't need to fight to survive :)

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Sheep don't try overwhelm by numbers. Sheep work together in peace. They don't need to fight to survive :)

A Sheep would be a member of YCM's rep jerk squad. One of your peeps posts, you all mass rep him. No real contribution but a hollow sense of solidarity

 

A Wolf rises to the top, might be hated, might not win, but doesn't back down till he's really beaten or wrong.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

I don't think you entirely understand how either people or wildlife works.

 

Agreeing with someone isn't a bad thing, Winter. No matter how often you agree with the same person.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I don't think you entirely understand how either people or wildlife works.

 

Agreeing with someone isn't a bad thing, Winter. No matter how often you agree with the same person.

I kinda do, an Alpha Wolf won't back down till he's dead or on death's door or unless it's for the better of the pack

 

I do agree with people, god knows how many times I've conceded to Black and let my honor die in that regard

 

@Moog I wish I was, but there a gentle side of me that won't allow me to be so

[epicmemesbro]

It doesn't necessarily relate to the animals' actual behavior, just their general assumed behavior. Those who are related to a "flock of sheep" can still have malicious intentions but it might come across as "doing the right thing" to the flock as a whole. 

 

A Sheep would be a member of YCM's rep jerk squad. One of your peeps posts, you all mass rep him. No real contribution but a hollow sense of solidarity

 

A Wolf rises to the top, might be hated, might not win, but doesn't back down till he's really beaten or wrong.

 

I have noticed that when you give an opinion that comes across as unpopular people appear to come together to "call you out" or something of that nature, and yes that includes them reping posts that speak out against you. That really doesn't generate any discussion to be honest. My condolences.

[Susie]

@Moog I wish I was, but there a gentle side of me that won't allow me to be so

 

Have fun being a brainless sheep like the rest of us then m8

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I have noticed that when you give an opinion that comes across as unpopular people appear to come together to "call you out" or something of that nature, and yes that includes them reping posts that speak out against you. That really doesn't generate any discussion to be honest. My condolences.

See I wouldn't even mind that. Most of the Sheep wont even attack my ideas OR EVEN ME. They'll just silently throw in their reps as long as they see me or someone they disagree with on the opposite side of the argument.

 

That number then "validates" the opposition and stifles discussion. That's what sickens me.

Have fun being a brainless sheep like the rest of us then m8

I'm an enlightened sheep, who realizes there's a world that's greater than him and his opinions...

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

I have noticed that when you give an opinion that comes across as unpopular people appear to come together to "call you out" or something of that nature, and yes that includes them reping posts that speak out against you. That really doesn't generate any discussion to be honest. My condolences.

See right here is rather a strange behavior I've noticed.

 

"A bunch of people disagree with me and it's wrong for them to express that." That's silly. If you say something multiple people disagree with, own up to the fact that there are those who disagree with you. You can have your opinion, and keep your opinion, but saying that people are "ganging up on you" is ridiculous.

Don't express an opinion if you're going to complain when people disagree.

 

As for the "silent rep" thing, that's so dumb. So what if I want to agree with something, or think something was well said, but don't want to add the same thoughts? There's nothing wrong with that.

I could quote them and say "They're right!" or just repeat their words, but it all amounts to the same thing.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

See right here is rather a strange behavior I've noticed.

 

"A bunch of people disagree with em and it's wrong for them to express that." That's silly. If you say something multiple people disagree with, own up to the fact that there are those who disagree with you. You can have your opinion, and keep your opinion, but saying that people are "ganging up on you" is ridiculous.

Don't express an opinion if you're going to complain when people disagree.

 

As for the "silent rep" thing, that's so dumb. So what if I want to agree with something, or think something was well said, but don't want to add the same thoughts? There's nothing wrong with that.

I could quote them and say "They're right!" or just repeat their words, but it all amounts to the same thing.

That's just it, people don't disagree, and if you call them out to explain why they silent repped against you, they have not good answer. Sheep attack the people in the most cowardly fashion and don't ever bother to attack the point. There is ALWAYS something more that can be said. Because, bottom line, they've got nothing.

[Mugendramon]

Also yeah sheep vs wolf is a lot about decission making and responsibility. The sheepish take others' word whereas wolves tend to formulate own conclusions and act accordingly.

See I wouldn't even mind that. Most of the Sheep wont even attack my ideas OR EVEN ME. They'll just silently throw in their reps as long as they see me or someone they disagree with on the opposite side of the argument.

 

Does this sheet happen exactly as you tell it cause if it does then wow the hell has this place become

 

If not stop dramatizing

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Also yeah sheep vs wolf is a lot about decission making and responsibility. The sheepish take others' word whereas wolves tend to formulate own conclusions and act accordingly.

 

Does this sheet happen exactly as you tell it cause if it does then wow the hell has this place become

 

If not stop dramatizing

It doesn't happen like that, or rather, not exactly. He just has many opinions people disagree with so more people tend to agree with the person on the other side.

And if that's the true sheep vs wolf then people call others "sheep" way too easily.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Also yeah sheep vs wolf is a lot about decission making and responsibility. The sheepish take others' word whereas wolves tend to formulate own conclusions and act accordingly.

 

Does this sheet happen exactly as you tell it cause if it does then wow the hell has this place become

 

If not stop dramatizing

Yeah, it does. I wouldn't say it's become hell, cause you have a current slim majority of people who aren't like that. And this really isn't personal either because take someone like Black or Dae or even Cow Cow usually. I don't agree with them, but they can explain out their points without being all silent P/A about it.

 

There's a few people like that however, and that number is sadly growing

It doesn't happen like that, or rather, not exactly. He just has many opinions people disagree with so more people tend to agree with the person on the other side.

And if that's the true sheep vs wolf then people call others "sheep" way too easily.

It's not about me mate. I think Deadpool and the other conservatives ganging up is pretty deplorable too when it happens.

 

When people can't separate their personal feeling from logic, they're detrimental to society. 

 

For example, I despise abortion. It sickens me. But logically, it is the correct choice to support. And so I do it, cause that's the greater good. Most of y'all don't have the stomach for that.

 

It doesn't happen? Lol what...you just need to look at the Plushfire thread to see how false of a claim that is

[Mugendramon]

Yeah, it does. I wouldn't say it's become hell, cause you have a current slim majority of people who aren't like that. And this really isn't personal either because take someone like Black or Dae or even Cow Cow usually. I don't agree with them, but they can explain out their points without being all silent P/A about it.

 

There's a few people like that however, and that number is sadly growing

 

I didn't actually mean hell, I just worded the question a bit lazily I suppose.

 

I was more asking for proof than anything else, cause let's be honest, you often talk with a strong rhethoric from what I'm reading lately and that makes it easy to take things you say with a few pinches of salt.

It doesn't happen? Lol what...you just need to look at the Plushfire thread to see how false of a claim that is

 *checks*

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I didn't actually mean hell, I just worded the question a bit lazily I suppose.

 

I was more asking for proof than anything else, cause let's be honest, you often talk with a strong rhethoric from what I'm reading lately and that makes it easy to take things you say with a few pinches of salt.

Performage Plushfire topic should be a pretty good example of "the Silent Rep"

 

It's pretty indicative something is wrong when you do not even attempt to answer the oppositions point, but proceed to circle around to support the last man standing on "your side"

 

I'm talking in a strong rhetoric recently Mugen, because if we keep ignoring the problems, and sweep it under the rug. Someone is going to ACT in a strong Rhetoric, tell me which do you prefer?

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

I'm curious, Winter. Do you want every discussion to be a clusterfuck of a bunch of people saying generally the same thing, just so that they express that they are in agreement, rather than just repping a post they agree with?

[Susie]

Eh I see literally no problem with the whole "silent rep" thing. Just because someone prefers to stand by one doesnt mean that they dont have anything to say to the other, just that they feel their words were already said and have no reason to try to add on more. Sure it may not be the best thing but its not very detrimental to the argument, points are still getting across to people, just along with silent agreement.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

JS, I rep posts in TCG because they present their points well, regardless of whose side they are on. Nice tinfoil hat though.

 

As for the actual funking topic, I am not wolf nor sheep, I gotta side with moog here. Slotting people into two groups where apparently both sides are wrong is silly. I hate to say it, Ryan, but this feels like bait for the exact conversation happening right now.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Prove that you're in agreement. Because as it stands, the majority of people have no funking idea what they're talking about and just see X debating with Y. Dislike X, therefore Y.

 

The PC thread, may it burn in hell for ages, showed this pretty clearly despite all it's cringeworthyness¹

 

Word was coined by Giga at 9:11 CST 3/20/2016