Progenitor Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 That's funking beautiful Black. :: // Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 So if I understand this correctly, this the turn two advancement of Shiranui? Turn 1 you set up the Omega loop with Mezuki to facilitate being able to get out Two Uni? Pretty neat if soIt's an option. Turn 2 tends to be "make MORE Omega!" after swinging in the BP with 2-3 Mooks + Omega (alternatively, if you got Sword set up T1, 2 omega + a Uni-Zombie), then making mroe stuff, but this is an option. If they don't have the answer, Omega(s) + this = gg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Damn Black, you beat me to it.Honorable mention goes to double sword and samuraisaga as well, which has the added bonus of getting the deck crystal wing access Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Guys it's literally a slightly better Hot Red Arch Ain't nobody going to wait to chain compuls or such, and it's a funking nomi. Omeg might be able to chain it's way to survival, but make no mistake, this card is not that good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Damn Black, you beat me to it.Honorable mention goes to double sword and samuraisaga as well, which has the added bonus of getting the deck crystal wing accessWhy would you run 2 sword? O_o Guys it's literally a slightly better Hot Red Arch Ain't nobody going to wait to chain compuls or such, and it's a funking nomi. Omeg might be able to chain it's way to survival, but make no mistake, this card is not that goodCompulse isn't good, either. like, compulse should be used on omega as soon as possible (IE End/Standby phases) to prevent free value that means comebacks happn, so idk why you're using a limited card as an example in a TCG oriented section. Answers to a card =/= card being bad, especially when that card is an answer to Pendulum decks, in that it wipes their board AND denies their hand, in conjuncture with Omega. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Why would you run 2 sword? O_o Compulse isn't good, either. like, compulse should be used on omega as soon as possible (IE End/Standby phases) to prevent free value that means comebacks happn, so idk why you're using a limited card as an example in a TCG oriented section. Answers to a card =/= card being bad, especially when that card is an answer to Pendulum decks, in that it wipes their board AND denies their hand, in conjuncture with Omega.Ehh, fair. I guess I've just been thinking about your suggestion that Omega needs to be banned eventually and it made little sense from the stand point of OCG, (and it's hard to separate the two in this card cause Compuls has a great chance of moving up in the time that Red Tyrant gets here). It might get banned in TCG, cause that's how they deal with stuff like this, but don't see it happening on the other side What I was trying moreso to do however, was suggest that the second effect of Tyrant isn't really all that good, since you would want to use and s/t in the MP vs Tyrant and in the SP vs Omega. At which point, this card is just a Hot Red that can hit defense position monsters. Question to ask here, why go for the nomi one in the rare niche case of cracking defense when Hot red is easier to summon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Because this clears pendulum scales and otehr face-up S/T/bluff sets/Twin Twister/etc.. It's also huge. Also ofc the negation effect is mediocre. It'll never really be used, except against scrubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Ehh, fair. I guess I've just been thinking about your suggestion that Omega needs to be banned eventually and it made little sense from the stand point of OCG, (and it's hard to separate the two in this card cause Compuls has a great chance of moving up in the time that Red Tyrant gets here). It might get banned in TCG, cause that's how they deal with stuff like this, but don't see it happening on the other side What I was trying moreso to do however, was suggest that the second effect of Tyrant isn't really all that good, since you would want to use and s/t in the MP vs Tyrant and in the SP vs Omega. At which point, this card is just a Hot Red that can hit defense position monsters. Question to ask here, why go for the nomi one in the rare niche case of cracking defense when Hot red is easier to summonBecause not every s/t is removal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Because not every s/t is removal? Ok, I agree that something like Book of Moon isn't removal, but MOST S/T you set should be disruption Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Ok, I agree that something like Book of Moon isn't removal, but MOST S/T you set should be disruption Thing is, not all S/T is set. Floodgates, fields (occasionally), pendukums, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Thing is, not all S/T is set. Floodgates, fields (occasionally), pendukums, etc. And how many of those activate in the Battle Phase again? Forgive me if I'm incorrect, but it seems to be a minority of a minority that do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 And how many of those activate in the Battle Phase again? Forgive me if I'm incorrect, but it seems to be a minority of a minority that doThat effect doesn't matter, the point is the nuke clears backrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 That effect doesn't matter, the point is the nuke clears backrow What I was trying moreso to do however, was suggest that the second effect of Tyrant isn't really all that good, since you would want to use and s/t in the MP vs Tyrant and in the SP vs Omega. At which point, this card is just a Hot Red that can hit defense position monsters. Question to ask here, why go for the nomi one in the rare niche case of cracking defense when Hot red is easier to summon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 That doesnt make it a hot red that hits DEF. It is hot red that hits DEF and backrow. You mistake what is being refuted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 That doesnt make it a hot red that hits DEF. It is hot red that hits DEF and backrow. You mistake what is being refuted. Yup, that's fair. I suppose it can crack non-disruptive backrow and scales Don't agree that's worth the effort of double tuning however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 The effort is literally: Banish Sage + Sword from bin SS Lv. 6 (probably Archfiend Zombie-Skull) + Sword banish Mezuki, revive Uni-Zombie. Put a 4 on board, either through uni-zombie milling a mezuki (which it will anyway) or by NSing Nuke Hell, Zombie Master also makes this easier to achieve. It costs you 0-2 cards of advantage to do, and gives you a 2500 beater + a 3500 nuke beater. EDIT: I'd even say more often 0, because you're either reviving another 4 with Mezuki (+1 fodder, meaning all of your fodders were +1s) or you're milling Mezuki with Uni anyways, meaning it's a virtual +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 I mean, when the additional effort is so little, and it fills an otherwise difficult niche for the deck, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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