~Faytl~ Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 If this card is Normal or Special Summoned: You can Special Summon 1 monster with 800 ATK and 1000 DEF from your Deck in Defense Position, except "Edea the Heavenly Squire", also you cannot Special Summon monsters from the Extra Deck for the rest of this turn. If this card is sent to the Graveyard: You can target 1 of your banished "Monarch" Spell/Trap Cards; add it to your hand. You can only use each effect of "Edea the Heavenly Squire" once per turn. If this card is Normal or Special Summoned: During your Main Phase this turn, you can Tribute Summon 1 monster, in addition to your Normal Summon/Set. (You can only gain this effect once per turn.) You can banish this card from your Graveyard, then target 1 monster with 800 ATK and 1000 DEF in your Graveyard, except "Eidos the Underworld Squire"; Special Summon it in Defense Position, also you cannot Special Summon monsters from the Extra Deck for the rest of this turn. You can only use this effect of "Eidos the Underworld Squire" once per turn. I hate these things. The Monarch deck is just such an annoyance and even a chore to play against with multiple chains all the time and graveyard effects like Pantheism and Spirit of the Monarchs that make for an incredibly frustrating opponent, especially since they can lock down the extra deck and completely shut you out unless you're playing Monarchs yourself or, I dunno, Yosenju? They don't seem to need the Extra Deck, maybe I should pick them back up again. These two give so much consistency to the deck there's basically no point running the Vassals at all, and they so ridiculously work off of each other that even if you gain an advantage it's immediately reversed by these. Dominion and ESPECIALLY Pantheism are the real problem wheels in the machine, but these are the grease that lubricate those wheels. Discuss the deck and these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Storm4th is the problem. Searchable, Recyclable, non-targeting, non-destruction removal at three that's quick-play on top of everything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Veiler/Breakthrough/Chain the Edea Normal Summon. that wins matchups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Also the as Nai noted, the Idea-Idos engine is sheet. Completely replaceable by the E-tele engine now, and the Hippo engine post TDIL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Pandeity to 1 and Domain to 0 please.Honestly funk this deck. Almost prime qlis/nekroz level hate for me right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catman25 Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Just to echo what's been said, effect negation is so good against this deck, you can even hit the Monarchs, since most lists I see run 0-1 March Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Pandeity to 1 and Domain to 0 please.Honestly funk this deck. Almost prime qlis/nekroz level hate for me right nowWhy hit the sheet lock that should be used more for the cost down effect and the 800 boost when you have a god removal card at three? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Why hit the s*** lock that should be used more for the cost down effect and the 800 boost when you have a god removal card at three? Twister isn't searchable now is it >_> They have so many ways to search a floodgate that actually boosts their ATK so it's harder to kill it isn't even funny. You kill it once, they'll search another and repeat. Maybe i was being a tad harsh, but I just can't help but want the worst to happen to the deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Twister isn't searchable now is it >_> They have so many ways to search a floodgate that actually boosts their ATK so it's harder to kill it isn't even funny. You kill it once, they'll search another and repeat. Maybe i was being a tad harsh, but I just can't help but want the worst to happen to the deck.Armageddon is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Pros play Edea through Reinforce Truth on the opponents End Phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Monarchs would flat-out suck if Pantheism was hit. Without it, they're horribly inconsistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 From what I hear, they can still brick with Pantheism though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 From what I hear, they can still brick with Pantheism though. Can confirm. Monarchs need to have a specific hand or they just die. Just imagine how much more badly they'll brick without Pantheism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 With the fact that all the spells are recyclable now, S/T hits would make sense for Monarchs. Pantheism to 1 would be absolutely fine, since it can easily be recycled by Idea. Stormforth should indeed go to 1, since it's ease of use and recyclability allows it to be effectively used when necessary by a competent player. Plus they have 3 tenacity so do they REALLY need that much search power? not really. The best way to hit monarchs is to restrict their dumbness. It's the same mentality as the Infernity Barrier hit. It was a completely fine card that was being used completely degenerate. However since it was easily searched and potentially recyclable, putting it to 1 didn't really change the deck, it just made it so you actually had to think when playing it. Same thing with monarchs. You take away the braindeadness of 3 pantheism and 3 stormforth, and then you force them to actually set Original Monarch to recycle stormforth. It gives much, much more incentive to pop it as well, since they will most likely ditch 1 to the grave with pantheism and 1 to the field. That leaves only 1 copy left that they have to try and set before they run out of search/draw power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Eidos and Edea < Mithra + Red Layer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 Can confirm. Monarchs need to have a specific hand or they just die. Just imagine how much more badly they'll brick without Pantheism.Opening with a sacky hand or scooping is like Metagame 101.Or at least, a frequently appearing one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 just negate edea and you've won the duel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Mfw these guys let me summon Gate Guardian... I wouldn't want these in particular to be hit simply because of the boost it gives to heavy tribute decks outside monarchs (Earthbound Immortals, Egyptian Gods, etc.). These guys may be the monarch playmakers/starters, but I've gotta agree with some of the above peeps in their assessment: hit the monarch's consistency instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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