Flame Dragon Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 So, the mechanics article is up on the mothership. DFC have some new rules. The transform trigger can only flip that face. For example, if you have multiple trigger to flip Archangel Avacyn she would only flips once. Think of it as the trigger only working on Archangel Avacyn. If a non-DFC is told to transform it instead just stays where it is. This is important if a clone is coping one of the DFC plneswalkers since it would just exile itself. The CMC of the back face is the same as the front. Delver is now 1, Avacyn, the Purifier is 5, etc. We also got some new cards We were also given a partial look at the check list card for the rares and mythics. It has 9 cards meaning the set has 33 DFCs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 I want to believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 Thing in the Ice's funking insane. Turn 3 7/8 that Evacuates? Sign me the funk up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted March 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 Thing in the Ice's funking insane. Turn 3 7/8 that Evacuates? Sign me the funk up. The card does indeed look insane. Very real shot at constructed. I'm even considering it for my pillow fort EDH. Just sits there with my opponents not knowing when it will go off. Seems sweet. Also, missed a card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bury the year Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 While I agree that the Thing is absolutely insane and will certainly see constructed play, not sure it's as good in EDH as everyone's hyping it to be - or at least not as splashable as you may believe. It'd take some playing around to guarantee that the trigger goes off when you want it to, and I don't think every deck can afford that. Plus, once it flips, it doesn't have any evasion or protection. Funny that you can flip Elusive Tormentor, drop a few equips on the mist and go to town without even bothering to flip back. Hexproof, indestructible and unblockable Batterskull? Reaper is awesome flavor. Once you have delirium, she turns into a color-shifted Fallen Angel. Also, Flight Moonsilver? That's new. Is that Avacyn's personal cadre of angels? Soul Swallower is yet another bomby rare. Not much more to say about that: if you have delirium before landing it, you're probably going to win the game. Hopefully the limited environment's balanced enough so that we don't have the same problem that was present in triple AVR. Warped Landscape is a functional reprint of Terminal Moraine. That was a terrible card (particularly since this was before Terramorphic Expanse and Evolving Wilds existed), but having lands in your graveyard will be useful for turning on delirium, so maybe this isn't as garbage as people are saying it is? Although I'd much rather a straight-up Evolving Wilds reprint over this. Thraben Inspector does a pretty decent impersonation of Elvish Visionary. Not good enough for constructed, but I wouldn't dismiss her in limited formats with that extra point of toughness. Plus, Eldrazi spaghetti. :D Am I the only one who likes Magnifying Glass for EDH? It's a mana rock that draws cards repeatedly: yes, the conversion rate is horribly inefficient, but you get to split the cost up into two payments. I at least plan on giving it a go in my nongreen decks. (Plus, more Eldrazi shenanigans.) Flavor is top-notch on Just the Wind. And is it just me, or does anyone else see octopus suckers in the curtain pattern? And I don't care that much about those last three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted March 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 While I agree that the Thing is absolutely insane and will certainly see constructed play, not sure it's as good in EDH as everyone's hyping it to be - or at least not as splashable as you may believe. It'd take some playing around to guarantee that the trigger goes off when you want it to, and I don't think every deck can afford that. Plus, once it flips, it doesn't have any evasion or protection. Warped Landscape is a functional reprint of Terminal Moraine. That was a terrible card (particularly since this was before Terramorphic Expanse and Evolving Wilds existed), but having lands in your graveyard will be useful for turning on delirium, so maybe this isn't as garbage as people are saying it is? Although I'd much rather a straight-up Evolving Wilds reprint over this. Am I the only one who likes Magnifying Glass for EDH? It's a mana rock that draws cards repeatedly: yes, the conversion rate is horribly inefficient, but you get to split the cost up into two payments. I at least plan on giving it a go in my nongreen decks. (Plus, more Eldrazi shenanigans.) Flavor is top-notch on Just the Wind. And is it just me, or does anyone else see octopus suckers in the curtain pattern? Thing certainly does have limits in commander. Especially since he can just be blown up by something else. Its certainly interesting and would need testing to see just how good it is. Landscape will be good if delirium is worth it and its really hard to get the 4th type into the yard. Creature, sorcery, and instant are easy. The 4th one less so. Glass is cute in edh, but I think its too slow. I would rather something like Mind Stone or Hedron Archive as a way to make mana and draw cards. Just the Wind is a sweet card. And yes, those do look like octopus suckers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesability Black Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 This, in a deck with Mizzix leading the way = Eepers. And if any of your creatures had an ETB effect...hey, you can use them again! This is also assuming you didn't somehow turn all of your creatures into Horrors. If you did, then CHEAP-SHOTS AHOY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 This, in a deck with Mizzix leading the way = Eepers. And if any of your creatures had an ETB effect...hey, you can use them again! This is also assuming you didn't somehow turn all of your creatures into Horrors. If you did, then CHEAP-SHOTS AHOY!Honestly, mizzix would far prefer to combo out, rather than get a kraken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixty Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 well, guess i'm brewing up mono blue aggro too. thing in the ice is just too good. having multiple with varying ice counters is a blowout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 So Thing in the Ice could see play in non standard constructed formats right? It doesn't die to Lightning Bolt, is a huge body, and can trigger a lot earlier in the fast paced enviroments. Especially since it does stuff like return your Snapcaster Mage to hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Yep, it's definitely Modern playable. Just an all around strong card, for its resiliency, ease of transformation, and power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Is it bad that I feel the card doesn't really help much in Modern? It is a slower Tarmogoyf, and still dies to all that Tarmogoyf dies to. Seems good in Delver, but also slow in those decks, too. I think it wouldn't be that good in Modern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixty Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Is it bad that I feel the card doesn't really help much in Modern? It is a slower Tarmogoyf, and still dies to all that Tarmogoyf dies to. Seems good in Delver, but also slow in those decks, too. I think it wouldn't be that good in Modern. i don't even play modern and this will be good in modern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 i don't even play modern and this will be good in modern....But how? You don't give any idea as to why, when it fills criminally bad slots for decks that lose a lot traction. It could be good in UWx, but those are more midrange decks that play 30% of their deck as instants/sorceries, so this would be slow where I would rather play Geist. It does everything that control wants, but protect itself and that is a pretty big deal, too. Esper Draw-Go wouldn't play it because it turns on removal, and that is part of why the deck has some traction. Delver decks wouldn't like this unless it wasn't playing Pyromancer. It will be like Ghostfire Blade, imo. People will try to make it work, but it won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 I'm with Dae here. Card has a lot of power behind it, but it is both lacking in convenience and a shell. My feelings are similar for EDH. Bouncing the board is good, but there are more effective and less telegraphed ways to do it. Furthermore, a 7/8 loses a lot of its power in a 40 life format, an issue exacerbated by the fact it doesn't fit into typical aggro decks. The only decks I really think it works in effectively are decks such as Maelstrom Wanderer, where it can be quickly flipped, and the mass bounce acts as a way to reload effects, rather than just a tempo wipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poc Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 It's a two drop that does nothing and takes a pretty heavy investment to flip it. Wall of omens is generally better in a control deck and delver certainly does not want this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesability Black Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I just read today's Official Magic Fiction article, and...I'm not sure Emrakul's anywhere near the plane now. Is She capable of sending into Avacyn's head a twisted prayer that eventually overwhelms all the others that she hears on a daily basis, specifically a strange prayer that the angel could understand? I'm not sure the titan would be concerned about something like the concept of being understood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I just read today's Official Magic Fiction article, and...I'm not sure Emrakul's anywhere near the plane now. Is She capable of sending into Avacyn's head a twisted prayer that eventually overwhelms all the others that she hears on a daily basis, specifically a strange prayer that the angel could understand? I'm not sure the titan would be concerned about something like the concept of being understood.I read it as well and I agree; whatever is affecting Avacyn seems to me to have intelligence that the Eldrazi lack. Whether this is Nahiri's direct doing or a product of whatever Nahiri is actually trying to do is unknown at the moment, but it is confirmed that Nahiri's cryptoliths are the source of Avacyn's madness to a degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poc Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 So with some examination of the other spoiled checklists, there's a colorless card on the bottom of the rare/mythic list. It can't be a creature because colorless creatures come before colored cards in the collector number and flip artifacts on the other checklists had a distinct pattern in the title box, which can only mean one thing Dark Flipping Depths confirmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 So with some examination of the other spoiled checklists, there's a colorless card on the bottom of the rare/mythic list. It can't be a creature because colorless creatures come before colored cards in the collector number and flip artifacts on the other checklists had a distinct pattern in the title box, which can only mean one thing Dark Flipping Depths confirmed People did some Sherlocking and found out that the first letter is M. I'm fairly convinced it'll be a Markov Manor flip card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poc Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 People did some Sherlocking and found out that the first letter is M. I'm fairly convinced it'll be a Markov Manor flip card.Mariat Manor. I'm allowed to dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixty Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 ...But how? You don't give any idea as to why, when it fills criminally bad slots for decks that lose a lot traction. It could be good in UWx, but those are more midrange decks that play 30% of their deck as instants/sorceries, so this would be slow where I would rather play Geist. It does everything that control wants, but protect itself and that is a pretty big deal, too. Esper Draw-Go wouldn't play it because it turns on removal, and that is part of why the deck has some traction. Delver decks wouldn't like this unless it wasn't playing Pyromancer. It will be like Ghostfire Blade, imo. People will try to make it work, but it won't. eh, maybe i'm just too excited about it. buuuut i wouldn't quite rule it out right away. remember how little potential people saw in flip jace? maybe a horror tribal deck will arise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 eh, maybe i'm just too excited about it. buuuut i wouldn't quite rule it out right away. remember how little potential people saw in flip jace? maybe a horror tribal deck will ariseExcept Jace had a niche. Even people then knew that. This fits nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poc Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 eh, maybe i'm just too excited about it. buuuut i wouldn't quite rule it out right away. remember how little potential people saw in flip jace? maybe a horror tribal deck will arisePeople saw lots of potential in Jace. This card doesn't do enough to warrant a slot as a finisher in a control deck. It's too easy to kill and takes a heavy investment to get value out of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gokai-Red Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 IMO the correct shell for the Thing in Ice is a Jeskai Ascendancy Deck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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