RedSceptile Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Broken card is broken, and should stay banned. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SephirothKirby Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 It's not as bad as Delinquent Duo. It's still broken, but Konami isn't really doing their best right now, so I can see it being limited soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 ah i see the whole look at opponents hand thing still if it was unbanned everyone would run one so it would kinda even itself out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Should have been "Pay 1000 Life Points & Select 1 Random card from your opponents Hand to discard" Then it would be a LOT more balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted April 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 ah i see the whole look at opponents hand thing still if it was unbanned everyone would run one so it would kinda even itself out So then everything that's banned should be limited because everyone would run one to even those cards out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 ah i see the whole look at opponents hand thing still if it was unbanned everyone would run one so it would kinda even itself out The same could be said of Pot of Greed, Graceful Charity, Delinquent Duo, Raigeki, Harpie's Feather Duster, Sixth Sense, Fiber Jar, Cyber Jar, Forceful Sentry, and so on. If you want to see how that logic works out, take a look at Traditional Format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Everyone ran PoG and Graceful. They're banned. UDE wants to minimize the number of staples in the game. Also, there are certain cards like Heavy Storm that add a bit of luck to the game, while this card is just a free way to destroy your opponent's strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SephirothKirby Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 there are certain cards like Heavy Storm that add a bit of luck to the game What. It's playing a card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 there are certain cards like Heavy Storm that add a bit of luck to the game What. It's playing a card. I think he means DRAWING that card takes a bit of luck. But Limited cards, by their very nature, are needed for balance. Mirror Force punishes bad players, MST/Heavy prevent stall/burn from getting too strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 ouch that hurt i never really though about that but still i dont think this card could be THAT powerful but yhea select 1 random card woulc be much beter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 ouch that hurt i never really though about that but still i dont think this card could be THAT powerful but yhea select 1 random card woulc be much beter It would still be cheap. Think, a form of Thestalos that's fast enough to be used in today's Meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orochi Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 ouch that hurt i never really though about that but still i dont think this card could be THAT powerful but yhea select 1 random card woulc be much beter it is THAT powerful, specially when the discarded card is the base of an strategy and/or it's a limited card... it can late or stop an strategy... i don't think this card will be limited again... for a long time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonisanoob Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 yhea after careful thinking i agree they could still give it an errata so it is just 1 random card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 yhea after careful thinking i agree they could still give it an errata so it is just 1 random card Didn't we just establish that it would still be broken even after that?And then they might as well just make a new version of the card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logmon1 Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 See my post in the "Delinquint Duo" page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uzumakinaruto93 Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 See my post in the "Delinquint Duo" page. Decent card is decent. My Dark World rapes anyone using it... yeah smart move "i play confiscation, i think ill discard your glodd" what are you retarded?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Lulz. "Gee, his hand contains Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World, and Dark World Lightning. Which one should I discard?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted April 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 See my post in the "Delinquint Duo" page. Decent card is decent. My Dark World rapes anyone using it... yeah smart move "i play confiscation' date=' i think ill discard your glodd" what are you retarded?![/quote'] Couldn't have worded it better myself, well actually I can; Smart move "I play Confiscation, I think I'll discard your Goldd, Wu-Lord of Dark World" what are you f***ing retarted, or are you f***ing retarted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusei Fudou Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 It's broken. An Errata won't make it better, no one would use it like the way you guys are talking about: "a random card". I mean, 1000 LP for discarding a random card? I can just get Thestalos LP-free, and also inflict damage if it was a monster. =/ It shouldn't be limited or even brought to the game. And that comment about Dark World is simply retarded. I mean, com'n.. "HAHAHA dude you are so pwnt I'll discard your Goldd so you can never use it" and the dude is like "But you idiot I can use Goldd's effect when you discard it..." the other dude goes "OH, I KNOW IT, GOD HATES ME!".. etc. xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 It's broken. An Errata won't make it better' date=' no one would use it like the way you guys are talking about: "a random card". I mean, 1000 LP for discarding a random card? I can just get Thestalos LP-free, and also inflict damage if it was a monster. =/ It shouldn't be limited or even brought to the game. And that comment about Dark World is simply retarded. I mean, com'n.. "HAHAHA dude you are so pwnt I'll discard your Goldd so you can never use it" and the dude is like "But you idiot I can use Goldd's effect when you discard it..." the other dude goes "OH, I KNOW IT, GOD HATES ME!".. etc. xD[/quote'] The second part of your post is accurate, but the first part is totally wrong. Let's just establish a few things here. 1. Thestalos is a tribute monster. That means that in today's format, he will not be able to be summoned. Why? You will have lost by that time. 2. Life Point are completely irrelevant unless you are either dead, or have less than 2000 (The cost for Dimension Fusion.) No one cares about Life Points. 3. Spell Cards can be played immediately from the hand without delay. You wil be able to activate a Spell version of Thestalos as soon as you draw it. 4. Thestalos is an already very powerful card. 5. Creating a Thestalos that can be played immediately is defined as broken. (Note: It might actually be a good card to have in this format, but UDE shouldn't release broken cards to counter-act other broken cards.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusei Fudou Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 ^"No one cares about Life Points." I suggest you stop playing this game, since the game result is all about Life Point increasing and decreasing.. and I think of Vennominaga and Exodia as mere special cases. >_> And I didn't say requirements would be easier for Thestalos, but it costs nothing but a monster.. and the current game doesn't make every monster summoned vanish.. where is your mind? Oh, and.. Treeborn? Behemoth? Spell Striker? Malicious? MR/Prem then tribute? Double Summon? Stop goofing around and trying to act pro. Point 5 is totally irrelevant to my post.. I didn't say they should create a Thestalos spell. And Point 4 is sort of irrelevant too. I never said Thestalos was weak, but it's not forbidden and is better than Confiscation's suggested errata.. if the suggestion was real, Confiscation would suck. It'd be only used in Discard decks which are being uncommonly used in the current TCG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Fail Less. You are obviously behind the times. Monarch decks suck now. Why? They're too slow. You don't have the time to tribute a monster. Yes, treeborn is a possibility. A Monarch deck likely won't have anything in the Graveyard to summon with MR on turn 2. But guess what, you just spent all your resources/energy on a play that will NOT win you the game. And the suggested errata of Confiscation would be a Spell version of Thestalos. Same effect, except you pay a LP cost, and you don't get to inflict a paltry amount of burn. I want you to understand something. Dark Armed Dragon Return kills on the 2nd to 3rd turn. It doesn't matter how many Life Points you have, because after it sets up, it nuke your field, and does more than 8000 damage. Why does it matter if you have 8000 Life Points the turn before you die or 7000? The suggested errata of Confiscation would give you a chance of disrupting your opponent's strategy by forcing them to discard Dark Armed Dragon, while not wasting your own summon, etc. Know what that means? You're at a huge advantage. (Well, unless they have a second DAD in their hand, which is true half the time.) Stop goofing around and trying to act pro.I lol'd at that. I'll say it again. Fail Less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Life Points mean nothing until the last turn of the duel. Card Advantage means everything. Those who value Life Points only understand the game at its lowest level. Those who value Card Advantage can fly at higher game. Also, all of the other Monarch-Sans-Legs cards - such as Tribute to the Doomed, Dark World Lightning, and Phoenix Wing Wind Blast - have required a discard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted April 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Solemn Judgement is pro card and should be used more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 How many decks can't benefit from Solemn? Agent Angel decks? The only decent decks that wouldn't necessarily benefit are turbo decks like DDT that don't care what the opponent does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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