Since Monster Reborn is back...

[RedSceptile]

What? What makes you think we WOULD?

 

They brought Monster Reborn back because it can be used against certain decktypes to steal their advantage' date=' it isn't easily brought back from the grave anymore, and it has less timing versatility. Activating Call can bring back your monster to defend from an oncoming attack, completely changing advantage in some cases, and also lets you automatically return a destroyed monster.

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Call of the Haunted isn't better than Monster Reborn, you're wrong and bad.

[tonisanoob]

oh so i wasnt the only person that though reborn was better than call?

[Phantom Roxas]

You can play Reborn right when you draw it. Call needs to be set first. And no, that doesn't mean I think Spells>Traps.

[CrabHelmet]

You can play Reborn right when you draw it. Call needs to be set first. And no' date=' that doesn't mean I think Spells>Traps.

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Why not? For the most part, spells are better than traps.

 

And then, of course, Reborn has the versatility advantage. Any graveyard, any battle position, no equip.

[J-Max]

Reborn is a Normal Spell. Imagine if it was a Quick play? Be grateful for that.... :P

[Phantom Roxas]

If Reborn was a Quick-Play, it would be the fastest banned card. Speaking of which, what card holds that record?

[CrabHelmet]

If Reborn was a Quick-Play' date=' it would be the fastest banned card. Speaking of which, what card holds that record?

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It's a tie:

 

Change of Heart

Cyber Jar

Delinquent Duo

Fiber Jar

Harpie's Feather Duster

Imperial Order

Painful Choice

Raigeki

Yata-Garasu

 

All banned in April 2004, which is the first format that had banned cards.

[Orochi]

If Reborn was a Quick-Play' date=' it would be the fastest banned card. Speaking of which, what card holds that record?

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i think is makyura the destroyer...

 

if not, cyber-stein...

 

NOTE: this is based on the relation between date of releasing / date on banning...

[The Dark One]

While Reborn is undoubtedly better than Call, I think the limiting of Reborn was a good move. I don't understand why everyone seems to hate power cards. Also, Call did have certain advantages that Reborn didn't. They weren't the reason it was banned, but they did exist.

 

And limited Confiscation is a joke.

[Ultimajk]

i dono i would like to see dark hole again lol

[Static]

If Reborn was a Quick-Play' date=' it would be the fastest banned card. Speaking of which, what card holds that record?

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It's a tie:

 

Change of Heart

Cyber Jar

Delinquent Duo

Fiber Jar

Harpie's Feather Duster

Imperial Order

Painful Choice

Raigeki

Yata-Garasu

 

All banned in April 2004, which is the first format that had banned cards.

 

The forceful sentry was not on that list?

[CrabHelmet]

If Reborn was a Quick-Play' date=' it would be the fastest banned card. Speaking of which, what card holds that record?

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It's a tie:

 

Change of Heart

Cyber Jar

Delinquent Duo

Fiber Jar

Harpie's Feather Duster

Imperial Order

Painful Choice

Raigeki

Yata-Garasu

 

All banned in April 2004, which is the first format that had banned cards.

 

The forceful sentry was not on that list?

 

Forceful Sentry was Limited for another two formats until it was banned in April 2005.

[Static]

If Reborn was a Quick-Play' date=' it would be the fastest banned card. Speaking of which, what card holds that record?

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It's a tie:

 

Change of Heart

Cyber Jar

Delinquent Duo

Fiber Jar

Harpie's Feather Duster

Imperial Order

Painful Choice

Raigeki

Yata-Garasu

 

All banned in April 2004, which is the first format that had banned cards.

 

The forceful sentry was not on that list?

 

Forceful Sentry was Limited for another two formats until it was banned in April 2005.

 

OFF TOPIC:

Lol, I remember before I knew the ban list existed (I left yugioh before April 04, and came back when CDIP had been released), my deck had the right amount of limited, and semi limited cards, but I did not know that The Forceful Sentry was banned, so I had 1 in there too. xD (it was an ALO Levia Stall/OTK thing, so it was lol anyway)

[darkguy00000]

I dunno, though.

 

Stein got banned MID-tournament, did it not? That's pretty damn impressive.

 

Also, I don't think any card besides Stein has won a 2/3 SJC final in three turns flat (which happened. I wish I still had the link, it was awe-inspiring).

 

Reborn > Call, and it just proves I need to look at the accursed banlist. When I stopped playing people were debating the limitation of Breaker from the banlist. Seems things have changed.

 

As for Confiscation vs Delinquint Duo, nobody would say that Confiscation is better, but it does have the advantage of revealing your opponents' hand.

 

And as far as I know a trap cards' effect that is converted to a spell is called "unfair". Premature Burial is a close to Call as you'll get, and Prem has a 800 LP cost associated with it. Spells are a bit better than traps, which is why you don't see decks with more traps than spells normally (it could happen, Counter Fairy, etc. Man, I love Counter Fairy).

[The Dark One]

The reason Call is better than Prem is because it's chainable, not because we don't want to pay the cost.

 

And Breaker should be legal.

[anthony4]

Monster Reborn was put in to compencate for the banning of Call. Let me go through the old 7 Staples

 

Monster Reborn: Now Unbanned. Very Very Powerful but not Quick Play

Raigeki: Totally Destroys all Monsters of your Opponents with no Drawback.

Harpies Feather Duster: Same as Raigeki but for S/T

Change of Heart: A Ridiclious way to gain Field Advantage' date=' No Drawbacks

Dark Hole: Blows up the Whole Field of Monsters. Raigeki if you have none.

Graceful Charity: Instant +1 with a Awesome chance of Recursion

Pot of Greed: +2 No Drawbacks.

 

Monster Reborn was the only "Maybe" Card. If Call comes back Reborn will go.

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lol your special. gracefullcharity is a +0 and pot is a +1

[anthony4]

stratos was limited the day after release and green bab was limited b4 release

[uzumakinaruto93]

yes they will, next list reborn will be banned, call might come back, and then some other banned card will take reborns place to see how it affects the game

[.:pyramid:.]

when you think about it in most decks, call of the haunted is more dangerous than monster reborn. because of when you can activate it. father duster wouldn't be unbaned, but i could see them unbanning dark hole, or making an updated version.

[uzumakinaruto93]

when you think about it in most decks' date=' call of the haunted is more dangerous than monster reborn. because of when you can activate it. father duster wouldn't be unbaned, but i could see them unbanning dark hole, or making an updated version.

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no reborn is better than call

[.:pyramid:.]

i didnt say it was better i said it was more dangerous, when used at the right time.

[Exiro]

Monster Reborn was put in to compencate for the banning of Call. Let me go through the old 7 Staples

 

Monster Reborn: Now Unbanned. Very Very Powerful but not Quick Play

Raigeki: Totally Destroys all Monsters of your Opponents with no Drawback.

Harpies Feather Duster: Same as Raigeki but for S/T

Change of Heart: A Ridiclious way to gain Field Advantage' date=' No Drawbacks

Dark Hole: Blows up the Whole Field of Monsters. Raigeki if you have none.

Graceful Charity: Instant +1 with a Awesome chance of Recursion

Pot of Greed: +2 No Drawbacks.

 

Monster Reborn was the only "Maybe" Card. If Call comes back Reborn will go.

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lol your special. gracefullcharity is a +0 and pot is a +1

 

Yeah, I was about to say that.

 

 

 

Monster Reborn was the 'avatar' of the broken banned cards, however, it's one of the least broken cards. Thing's like Pot of Greed and Deliquent Duo, those are seriously broken. MR back really isn't that a big deal, the game continues, etc.

Monster Reborn really isn't that special, is not even a staple!

[Logmon1]

there are MUCH more broken cards they could of brought back than reborn' date=' does it really make that big of an impact on the tcg? not that ive noticed.

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Well, the way you said it, it sounded like you said it was a pretty bad card, which is definately not true.

 

I beg to differ, Monster Reborn is a VERY bad card.

 

It is easy to chain to, has no cost to combo, amd all it does is special summon a most the will be gone in AT LEAST two turns.

 

In fact, most decks in the current meta have absolutly NO use for it.

 

Gadgets and Monarchs: No effect activation... Treeborn forg is the only useful reborn

 

Vally/Explosion: Only needs two cards...

 

DAD: Acually weakens the deck by clearing the graveyard

 

LADD: LADD can't be SS'd anyway,. and it would be negated...

 

DDT: Already has better versions. Might get DD back, but thats it.

[The Dark One]

I beg to differ' date=' Monster Reborn is a VERY bad card.

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Lol, funny...

It is easy to chain to' date=' has no cost to combo, amd all it does is special summon a most the will be gone in AT LEAST two turns.

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Yeah, Call is just as easy to chain to, that makes no sense. No cost=better card. All it does? I'm sorry, but Monster Reborn is basically a card that's saying "Turn me into any one monster in your Graveyard, including Disc Commander, which means that I'm a Pot of Greed, or Darklord Zerato, to destroy the field, then activate D-Fusion to win." I don't consider that small. You're right, the monster won't be there in 2 turns. Guess why? You've already won.

 

In fact' date=' most decks in the current meta have absolutly NO use for it.

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Decks could manage without it, but this is a blatantly untrue statement.

 

Gadgets and Monarchs: No effect activation... Treeborn forg is the only useful reborn

Lol' date=' Monarchs. Gadgets? Maybe.

 

 

Vally/Explosion: Only needs two cards...

Doesn't compete with DAD.

 

DAD: Acually weakens the deck by clearing the graveyard

That's not necessarily a bad thing. You can use it to decrease the number to 3' date=' it's called Graveyard control. DAD is ridiculously broken, but it doesn't win [i']every[/i] time on turn 3.

 

 

LADD: LADD can't be SS'd anyway' date='. and it would be negated...

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Lol, Light and Darkness...

 

DDT: Already has better versions. Might get DD back' date=' but thats it.

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This card is used in DDT. And I'm certain there isn't a better recursion card then Monster Reborn.

 

 

 

In the words of some of our GFaqs members...Fail Less.

[CrabHelmet]

I beg to differ' date=' Monster Reborn is a VERY bad card.

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You're wrong.

 

It is easy to chain to' date='

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The only cards that are harder to chain to are Spiritualism and Counter Traps.

 

has no cost to combo

 

Having no cost is now a bad thing? Come on' date=' even complete newbies can tell that no cost = good.

 

amd all it does is special summon a most the will be gone in AT LEAST two turns.

 

I love the "all it does". Hey, guys, DAD sucks, all it does is kill a few monsters that would have been fone in AT LEAST two turns anyhow.

 

In fact' date=' most decks in the current meta have absolutly NO use for it.

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Except that most decks in the current meta DO run Monster Reborn. Fail less.

 

Gadgets and Monarchs: No effect activation... Treeborn forg is the only useful reborn

 

You'd use Monster Reborn on TREEBORN FROG? How bad are you at this game? Also' date=' Monarchs have Disk Commander (you know, the guy that makes this better than Pot of Greed?), and the only Gadget build that doesn't use this is Oppression Gadgets. But did you just cite Monarchs as a meta deck? This is 2008; wake up.

 

Vally/Explosion: Only needs two cards...

 

If you believe this, then you don't know how Valley/Explosion works.

 

DAD: Acually weakens the deck by clearing the graveyard

 

No' date=' it gives you even easier control over the number of DARKs in the graveyard, builds field presence, lets you recycle effects like Armageddon Knight, and so on.

 

LADD: LADD can't be SS'd anyway,. and it would be negated...

 

Because the only monster that LADD runs is LADD, right? It totally doesn't use cards like Disk Commander, right? And LADD decks are careful to run nothing except LADD and Normal Monsters, since otherwise they'd get negated, right?

 

Also, LADD is as old as Monarchs. This is April 2008. Open your eyes to the new format.

 

DDT: Already has better versions. Might get DD back' date=' but thats it.

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Better versions? Like what? Also, DDT invariably runs both Monster Reborn AND Premature Burial.