Magician stuff

[The Highlander]

You know whats like the best part of these? They feature cards that search stuff that stuff with keywords in the text, rather then name-specific cards.

Pretty sure this is a first for Ygo.

... Level Support did this as well.

[VCR_CAT]

I should also point out that while Ebon Void is stupid when it comes to Wavering or Solemn plays; it's also a card that, if Veiler'd or Chalice'd, puts the player in a tough spot because chances are their backrow's in their hand and they won't get to use it at all. Also, worth pointing out that it's probably unlikely that a player is able to dump Ebon Void on the field and be able to have more than like 2 Quickplays or Traps in hand; any more and they probably bricked.

[Kaiji]

Not impressed since the deck seems limited by its ability to even field the Rank 7

 

Black circle is pretty cool tho.

rofl the Xyz's second effect is pretty bad, even tho its been that way for similar cards, in 2016 no one is going to willingly trigger it.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Not impressed since the deck seems limited by its ability to even field the Rank 7

 

Black circle is pretty cool tho.

rofl the Xyz's second effect is pretty bad, even tho its been that way for similar cards, in 2016 no one is going to willingly trigger it.

I mean Beatrice effect goes off plenty, willing or not, it's gonna happen. Err I will give you that DMoC isn't as annoying as a non-targeting Draw Engine like Pilgrim, but the fact that it doesn't negate the effect and would stop things like BTH and TT kinda makes up for it. I don't think the deck is bad at all. Card might be a pretty cool tech in Magician Pendulums maybes :3

 

 

I should also point out that while Ebon Void is stupid when it comes to Wavering or Solemn plays

 

The problem with regards to Wavering goes way if you limit it. Stats. The chance of a wavering-wavering interaction is very low. 4th effect won't happen, and it's just a rota + fate if they're stupid enough to leave scales up without protection 

 

As for the solemn plays, they aren't really all that stupid. Twin Twister and Duster are the stupid cards that promote a more otk'ish play style with lowered player interaction. This is hardly splashable enough anyway unlike something that Rafflesia which does kinda dumb down the trap holes. If anything it will just bring backrow back into the game, which is a good thing

 

Agreed on rest

[Kaiji]

stop, your beatrice comparison is awful and absolutely out of context.

 

also notice how the deck is designed for you to invest in S/T before being able to play ygo

 

and has no real T1 plays

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

stop, your beatrice comparison is awful and absolutely out of context.

 

also notice how the deck is designed for you to invest in S/T before being able to play ygo

 

and has no real T1 plays

How is something like Dark Paladin not a good T1 Play? Cause the Deck can pretty easily set that up.

 

If you're gonna throw out a claim like the one about Beatrice, back it up. Your exact words were 

 

 

rofl the Xyz's second effect is pretty bad, even tho its been that way for similar cards, in 2016 no one is going to willingly trigger it.

 

 

 

Beatrice: (2) If this card is destroyed by your opponent and sent to the Graveyard: You can Special Summon 1 “Burning Abyss” monster from your Extra Deck, ignoring the Summoning conditions.

 

Ebon: If this Xyz Summoned Card is sent to the Graveyard by your opponent’s card or destroyed by battle and sent to the Graveyard: Special Summon 1 DARK Spellcaster-Type Monster from your hand or Deck, then, destroy 1 card on the field.

 

Those two are damn similar lol. Yeah it needs to be XYZ summoned, so you can't do something like Reborn Crash Beatrice, but it's also stronger in that it can be sent. If Beatrice gets trigger'd a fair bit, you can be damn sure this will too

 

Honestly just dismissing arguments and throwing in the spare "rofl" or "lol" makes you look more like a pretentious ass instead of instantly validating you as correct, sadly to say

[VCR_CAT]

This deck does have some solid T1 options, and Paladin is definitely a solid option, especially considering Timaeus is searchable. If not Timaeus, Ebon Void is still a good T1 option considering it has strong defensive stats, and lets you turn your hand into your backrow. Sure that means you have to have the backrow on-hand, but it's still a good option to start with.

[Kaiji]

holy s*** 

 

It should be obvious to someone such as yourself who clearly plays this game. I'm referring to Castel and Lightning being the elephant in the rooms, assuming this card is even dropped T1 in the first place without investing a considerable amount of S/T (reading the cards its far more likely you are going to to be just sitting Eternal Soul + Magician T1 until you can field more than 1 level 7 on the followup turn)

 

Should be obvious why your beatrice example is bad, since beatrice is "easier" summon, can protect itself which decreases your ability to castel/lightning it, and can pay for itself because it has a dante attached, and it's usually paired with other threats. 

 

 

Dark Paladin comment has nothing to do with this, since you completely missed what I was getting at, and comparing the card text doesn't even help further your case except making you look like a bigger moron.

This deck does have some solid T1 options, and Paladin is definitely a solid option, especially considering Timaeus is searchable. If not Timaeus, Ebon Void is still a good T1 option considering it has strong defensive stats, and lets you turn your hand into your backrow. Sure that means you have to have the backrow on-hand, but it's still a good option to start with.

the question people arent answering is how you are dropping this T1 since every single example mentioning this card assumes its already on field, the level 7s require you to pitch S/T usually on the opponent's turn.

 

inb4 "everything loses to castel if you put it that way"

[VCR_CAT]

holy s*** 

 

It should be obvious to someone such as yourself who clearly plays this game. I'm referring to Castel and Lightning being the elephant in the rooms, assuming this card is even dropped T1 in the first place without investing a considerable amount of S/T (reading the cards its far more likely you are going to to be just sitting Eternal Soul + Magician T1 until you can field more than 1 level 7 on the followup turn)

 

Should be obvious why your beatrice example is bad, since beatrice is "easier" summon, can protect itself which decreases your ability to castel/lightning it, and can pay for itself because it has a dante attached, and it's usually paired with other threats. 

 

 

Dark Paladin comment has nothing to do with this, since you completely missed what I was getting at, and comparing the card text doesn't even help further your case except making you look like a bigger moron.

 

Okay slugger, insults aren't going to get you anywhere.

 

Castel and Lightning are just two cards, and at that Rank 4's. If you've played this game to any extent, then you should know that one or two splashable outs does not make a card bad or never active. You act like those options are going to be live all the time or that, again, Ebon Void turns your hand into your backrow and can easily dispose of either before they get a chance to do something. It's a little comparable to Rafflesia, except that it depends more on what's in your hand at the time. But, considering that Dark Renewal is searchable now and live from the hand, that's not going to be as big of an issue as you may think.

 

I fail to see how Beatrice can "protect itself" more than Ebon Illusion. The stats are comparable, more-so in the Defense aspect, and Beatrice has no inherent protection effects. Sure it can mill certain Burning Abyss monsters that can remove opponent's monsters, but Ebon Void still can play a Solemn Strike from the hand; so there's that.

 

What you fail to recognize is how prevalent destruction or even to-grave removal is in this current format. Castel and Ignister are the only notable non-destruction removal monster in play right now, and to honestly use your UTL on an Ebon Void would be pretty stupid. Most decks focus on destruction or battle removal because it's often cheaper, easier, and more accessible. Considering Ebon Void just needs to be sent to the Graveyard at all, there's a solid chance that's going to happen outside of UTL because you assume that:

A - All decks are going to be able to run these

B - All opponents will be able to consistently get these out regardless of their hands

C - That it's going to be successful at all

and D - All opponents are going to summon those against this.

 

All four of those are big "if's", and if you clearly play this game, you should realize this.

 

 

 

Also, you've never played a Rank 7 Dark Magician deck, have you. Because you asking how this is going to be a Turn 1 play is starting to reek of ignorance at this point. I can see both a Magician and a Gagaga variant being able to summon Void or even Dark Paladin on their first turn with relative ease.

[Kaiji]

I never called the card bad, I pointed out that the deck is limited in its ability to summon the card regularly and the 2nd effect will rarely trigger because Castel exists

 

Beatrice comparison still bad since you are pairing an unsearchable card with illusion, and beatrice being able to pair itself with the same unsearchable card + farfa. Stop using it.

 

Ugh, and I'm not even speaking from a competitive standpoint so no strawmans like that, read my original post again without the context of me being a dick to LT where i even concede its been that way for similar cards since Castel was released.

[VCR_CAT]

I never called the card bad, I pointed out that the deck is limited in its ability to summon the card regularly and the 2nd effect will rarely trigger because Castel exists.

 

That's like saying "Wow, Vanity's Emptiness is rarely going to be good because MST exists".

[Kaiji]

I'd my original post again without the context of me being a dick to LT where i even concede its been that way for similar cards since Castel was released.

 

 

rofl the Xyz's second effect is pretty bad, even tho its been that way for similar cards, in 2016 no one is going to willingly trigger it.

 

can you stop with this, since i had other points like this that you are ironically dismissing because you are using the context of e being a dick

[byak]

Is the new xyz even worth summoning to begin with? It seems like the second effect is more valuable than the first which is a bad sign for the card. You're basically safe from Twin Twister but I'm not sure if investing two level 7's for it is a good idea. Its first effect is probably only valuable if there's a method of adding spell/traps to your hand during your opponent's turn. Maybe I am undervaluing the threat level of Twister/Duster but idk

 

I think it's much more important to look at the older Magician support. Ebon Illusion is a lot stronger now, and is also probably ridiculous in conjunction with Ebon Void because cards like Black Illusion can protect both of them, and now there are more methods to summon Ebon Illusion. Magical Dimension might also be good because your two normal summon guys are basically floaters and you can keep your hand full with Illusion Magic. Wonder Wand is also a good candidate for this reason.

 

If there was a way to Xyz into Ebon Void during your opponent's turn (lol Wonder Xyz) it'd probably have higher impact.

 

Take a moment to look away from Ebon Void to look at the rest of the cards that you can potentially play in this deck. Magical Dimension, Dark Renewal, Black Illusion, Eye of Timaeus, Dedication etc. all have potential I feel. Magician's Navigate and Illusion Magic are also probably very good.

 

Eternal Soul might also be worth looking into but it might be too fragile.

[Pchi]

Updated texts from Wikia:
 

Magician of Black Illusion
 
This card's name becomes "Dark Magician" while it is on the field. You can only use each of these effects of "Magician of Black Illusion" once per turn.
● During your opponent's turn, if you activate a Spell/Trap effect: You can Special Summon this card from your hand.
● Once, while this card is face-up on the field, if you activate a Spell/Trap effect: You can target 1 "Dark Magician" in your Graveyard; Special Summon it.

 

Magician's Robe
 
During your opponent's turn: You can discard 1 Spell/Trap Card;Special Summon 1 "Dark Magician" from your Deck (this is a Quick Effect). During your opponent's turn, if you activate a Spell/Trap effectwhile this card is in your Graveyard: You can Special Summon this card, but banish it when it leaves the field. You can only use each effect of "Magician's Robe" once per turn.

 

Magician's Rod
 
When this card is Normal Summoned: You can add 1 Spell/Trap Card that lists "Dark Magician" in its text from your Deck to your hand. During your opponent's turn, if you activate a Spell/Trap effect while this card is in your Graveyard: You can Tribute 1 Spellcaster-Type monster; add this card to your hand. You can only use each effect of "Magician's Rod" once per turn.

 

Ebon Void Magician
 
2 Level 7 Spellcaster-Type monsters
While this card has Xyz Material, you can activate Quick-Play Spell Cards and Trap Cards from your hand during your opponent's turn, but you must detach 1 Xyz Material from this card to activate them. If this Xyz Summoned card is destroyed by battle and sent to the Graveyard, or if this card you control is sent to your Graveyard by an opponent'scard effect: You can Special Summon 1 DARK Spellcaster-Type monster from your hand or Deck, then you can destroy 1 card on the field.

 

Dark Magic Circle
 
When this card is activated: Look at the top 3 cards of your Deck, you can reveal 1 "Dark Magician" or 1 Spell/Trap Card that lists "Dark Magician" in its text among them and add it to your hand, also after that, place any remaining cards on the top of your Deck in any order. If "Dark Magician" is Normal or Special Summoned to your side of the field: You can target 1 card your opponent controls; banish it. You can only use each effect of "Dark Magic Circle" once per turn.

 

Illusion Magic
 
Tribute 1 Spellcaster-Type monster; add up to 2 "Dark Magicians" from your Deck or Graveyard to your hand. You can only activate 1 "Illusion Magic" per turn.

 

Magician's Navigate
 
Special Summon 1 "Dark Magician" from your hand, then Special Summon 1 Level 7 or lower DARK Spellcaster-Type monster from your Deck. If you control "Dark Magician", except the turn this card was sent to the Graveyard: You can banish this card from your Graveyard, then target 1 face-up Spell/Trap Card your opponent controls; negate its effects until the end of this turn.

 
Activating S/T effects includes activating the cards themselves, I presume (hopefully).
 
Shame the new wording implies Timaeus won't be searchable by the new cards.
 
But Illusion Magic not being restricted to DARK is good.
 
Weird how avoid restricts itself to Xyz Summon when for battle destruction, but not to effect removal.

[VCR_CAT]

The Eye of Timeaus's card text uses "Dark Magician" as an archetype to include Dark Magician Girl; so whether it actually works with these cards or not is actually unknown to me. I'd think that Konami might release a ruling on that.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

The Eye of Timeaus's card text uses "Dark Magician" as an archetype to include Dark Magician Girl; so whether it actually works with these cards or not is actually unknown to me. I'd think that Konami might release a ruling on that.

Still has "Dark Magician" as a text though. Also the Dark Paladin Reprint in OCG's Gold Series makes me kinda think they will rule it that way.

 

As for t1 plays. TCG/OCG Hero Engine maybe? Prisma out a DM, and go into Tim for T1 Paladin? If you summon Prisma off Stratos or Mist you make it at a +1 and won't even lose that much advantage. 

[byak]

The problem with using heros is just that prisma is a shitty card, gunning out Paladin turn 1 is never realistic especially if you consider the field and how it's not 100% pendulum

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

The problem with using heros is just that prisma is a shitty card, gunning out Paladin turn 1 is never realistic especially if you consider the field and how it's not 100% pendulum

Dark Law would be an alternate opening field? You could pretty easily go into Shadow Mist, normal the Robe, add Tim, set Mask Change, worse case you end end on Law, otherwise case you can get T2 Law-Paladin. 

 

Let's look at this from an OCG perspective. Allure @2, maybe three in April. Monster Gate @3. DMoC@3 (you should not run 3, just saying). Strato, Mist (@1 for now). You could go Robe into Gate to either any number of field. 

 

Also magic power of using two Protag Decks in one. Heros are shitty, yes, but guess what's more shitty, that's right, the OG DM

[Draconus297]

Also magic power of using two Protag Decks in one. Heros are shitty, yes, but guess what's more shitty, that's right, the OG DM

I'm sure, by this point, there's a Deck that combines cards from all 5 protagonists and is at least workable.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I'm sure, by this point, there's a Deck that combines cards from all 5 protagonists and is at least workable.

Run Veiler in Hero Magican, run a pendulum engine and UTL, there you go. 

 

DM

Heros

Stardust

Utopia

Magicans

[Sleepy]

Is the new xyz even worth summoning to begin with? It seems like the second effect is more valuable than the first which is a bad sign for the card. You're basically safe from Twin Twister but I'm not sure if investing two level 7's for it is a good idea. Its first effect is probably only valuable if there's a method of adding spell/traps to your hand during your opponent's turn. Maybe I am undervaluing the threat level of Twister/Duster but idk

 

I think it's much more important to look at the older Magician support. Ebon Illusion is a lot stronger now, and is also probably ridiculous in conjunction with Ebon Void because cards like Black Illusion can protect both of them, and now there are more methods to summon Ebon Illusion. Magical Dimension might also be good because your two normal summon guys are basically floaters and you can keep your hand full with Illusion Magic. Wonder Wand is also a good candidate for this reason.

 

If there was a way to Xyz into Ebon Void during your opponent's turn (lol Wonder Xyz) it'd probably have higher impact.

 

Take a moment to look away from Ebon Void to look at the rest of the cards that you can potentially play in this deck. Magical Dimension, Dark Renewal, Black Illusion, Eye of Timaeus, Dedication etc. all have potential I feel. Magician's Navigate and Illusion Magic are also probably very good.

 

Eternal Soul might also be worth looking into but it might be too fragile.

 

 

Though even looked at under that light, the good thing is that the materials required for either Ebon are the same, making it a toolbox option for when you do have the cards in hand that you want to have going off.

Yeah I also am a bigger fan of regular Ebon Xyz, but more options are more options.

 

 

 

 

Now for my thoughts:

 

Oh god, where is all this support coming out from? is it next set or the movie pack or what? This is awesome.

I think using them all can reek of clogging, but all these seem worth testing out in some way. The deck had short-comings like my having to run Summoner Monks somewhere for lack of better consistency cards for things like Gagaga Magician, but now with these, time to go back to the drawing board.

[Kaiji]

You are probably better off playing the Dark Magician support than look for some arbitrary T1 play, the only real reason I mentioned that was because all the engine cards favor going first (the trap card, the 2100/2500 guy) yet take a turn for you to set up a rank 7.

 

Eternal Soul + Vanilla is probably the most common board you'll end up with possibly backed up with Magic Circle, or summon Rod and pass.

 

Very reminiscent of the Blue Eyes support which has the same issue.

[Forest Fire]

>>>> Magician's Rod

lol. my sides.

 

This collection dost look like good support. It shall be exciting to see it played.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

>>>> Magician's Rod

lol. my sides.

 

This collection dost look like good support. It shall be exciting to see it played.

It's really long, stiff and is rounded at the end. I'm sure people are gonna play with it

Rofl, I wonder if the deck is better off being combined in a Magician Pendulum deck to solve the r7nk t1 play. Just room seems like a jabroni :/

[Kaiji]

Magicians are awful at dropping Rank 7s using spellcasters, most of their Rank 7 plays come from Meteorburst Dragon.

 

It's not like "T1 Rank 7" is worth solving because investing into one makes you weaker, especially when you use 2 scales (essentially making the xyz summon a 4 card combo). The deck can rank 7 without using too much resources via Black Illusion Magician and the trap

 

Rod/Black Circle + Eternal Soul/Navigate is fine because the former should pay for itself leaving you 4 other cards to work with, having a 2500 immune beater still forces the opp to invest resources (obviously Twin twister destroys this set up, but keep in mind how Black Illusion Magician is designed and Dark Paladin), and you have the chance to loop Black Circle banishes multiple times. Use the Xyz mechanic to dump Magicians for Eternal Soul, the following turn will be the ideal time to Rank 7 as making Ebon Illusion Magician should snowball enough advnatage and lets you pair Ebon Void Magician.

 

Eternal Soul has the obvious drawback of losing to Twin Twister/Castel/Dire Wolf but its much better than investing 4 cards into a Rank 7 and getting blown out by Wavering and Castel. But clearly I'm ignorant and never played the deck so what do I know :shrug: