Japan’s record on women’s rights to face review by UN Committee

[Just Crouton]

"Among the possible issues for discussion between CEDAW and a delegation from the Japanese Government are:  Banning the sale of video games or cartoons involving sexual violence against women; employment equality, illegal dismissal of women due to pregnancy and childbirth; sexual harassment in the workplace; reintegration into school textbooks of issue of “comfort women”;  compensation for women with disabilities sterilised against their will; effect on women, particularly pregnant women,  of health programmes introduced after the Fukushima nuclear disaster; difference in pension benefits for men and women, poverty among older women."

 

 

Good.

 

In regards to whatever the point of this topic was, it seems to be a thing on the internet since Anita Sark-whatever made those feminist videos I never cared to watch that anything addressing women's issues is automatically bad and to be feared/dismissed as SJW nonsense.

 

Since censorship was brought up, not all censorship is bad. I heard that new Fire Emblem game had a part where you could make a lesbian straight by drugging her, and the US release removed it. Though with Grand Theft Auto, I don't see an issue in playing a game where you're just being a jackass thug for the sake of being a jackass thug. It's mindless carnage and humor from what I've gathered.

[ENMaker]

In regards to whatever the point of this topic was, it seems to be a thing on the internet since Anita Sark-whatever made those feminist videos I never cared to watch that anything addressing women's issues is automatically bad and to be feared/dismissed as SJW nonsense.

 

This is the truest thing. She's done infinitely more damage than good, and she's done no good in the first place.

[epicmemesbro]

I guess it would obviously be a call to alarm if a game encouraged the player to commit real life acts of violence against women. I haven't heard of any though. But what I did hear is that apparently Japan has its share of rape simulators.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

just dont touch doujins and this is good fam

[Aix]

just dont touch doujins and this is good fam

If cartoons include comics, this is looking at killing off like 90% of doujins.

 

It would be great if GTA were actually not real, then nobody would waste their time and money on such a horseshit game and hype it up as if it's a godsend. Unfortunately that's not the case. 

Man, it's like people have different tastes in video games.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

Since censorship was brought up, not all censorship is bad. I heard that new Fire Emblem game had a part where you could make a lesbian straight by drugging her, and the US release removed it.

This actually is just an unconfirmed rumor. Just thought I'd get that out of the way.

[Susie]

Honestly I cant agree with any of this stuff, if someone plays a rape simulator that doesnt mean that they just immediately dismiss the difference between reality and fantasy. Japan actually has been starting to slowly become less strict with their censorship (to an extent) and there hasnt been an exponential growth of rape and violence there. We glorify death in horror films yet those arent banned. As long as rape simulators dont straight up say "whhhheeeeeeeee rape women in real life" then I dont care.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

doujins are basically fanfiction tho

[Slinky]

So.. they are trying to ban hentai?

 

Also, would things like Tekken be considered sexual violence? Because if yes, funk this.

[Maeriberii Haan]

Also, would things like Tekken be considered sexual violence? Because if yes, funk this.

 

Of course not. Violence doesn't always translate to sexual violence.

 

I don't really see much issue in this aside from a broader interpretation of it. About time, even. Though honestly I doubt this would actually affect the doujin community much. Perhaps reducing big-scale events strictly related to the h-stuff, but otherwise distribution, and others will still be alive.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Man, it's like people have different tastes in video games.

 

Oh? What's your favourite flavour of homogenized crap churned out by a cynical industry that's given up on anything above downright condescending us by pandering to our worst instincts? 

 

Since censorship was brought up, not all censorship is bad. I heard that new Fire Emblem game had a part where you could make a lesbian straight by drugging her, and the US release removed it. Though with Grand Theft Auto, I don't see an issue in playing a game where you're just being a jackass thug for the sake of being a jackass thug. It's mindless carnage and humor from what I've gathered.

 

Booting hookers to death isn't any less outrageous than changing a character's sexual orientation. That boot-printed corpse's only sexual orientation to choose from is asexuality. 

[Tourmaline]

I sincerely meant you should try Kirby Air Ride Polaris. The series is still pure. It's the Divine Comedy of vehicle-based games.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

As much as I enjoyed The Divine Comedy I don't think I can emulate its vehicle-based game counterpart sadly. :F

[Tourmaline]

Oh well. I tried.

 

Though it should be noted that the majority of games are bound to be homogenized. They are meant to be popular, and the masses are not markedly intelligent. I always thought good philosophy ought to be controversial. And anyway, don't people always mistake the sin for vice?

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

I feel like Hollywood in general is better at providing something for everyone, which is a little sad given Hollywood's reputation for superficiality, and that film critics wouldn't give something like GTA a 97 overall because they're more attentive to questions such as "Why, just why?" than video game critics who seem solely interested in how smooth the gameplay is. 

[Tourmaline]

And modern literature?

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

Don't get me started on book reviewers! They're the most degenerate of all! But yeah, some decent storytelling in video games and criticism that reflects a demand for it would be pretty cool I guess. 

[mitchermitcher]

Frankly this is a disgusting topic and I really don't like debating this but my two cents:

 

I will always defend 2D rape porn games(and anything else that's 2D that's covered by the article's aforementioned policy)' rights to exist and be sold. I don't get off to 2D rape most of time, and I don't get off to lolicon or gore at all(they're not quite related to the topic but I'm bringing them up as well), but laws banning those are stupid and pure censorship. Rape games are not like actual guns. Being in possession of and using them does not make it easier to commit rape or acquire the tools that make it easier to commit such crimes. There is absolutely nothing wrong with enjoying them. If someone played them and went on to rape people in real life then that's an issue with the said person being unable to differentiate between fiction and reality or him having mental problems or him being the sort of person who'd do it anyway(By the way I find it a little interesting that when thinking of examples, it's mostly men that come to mind. Do women that rape other women or grope children not exist?). It's 2D, it's fictional, no one is harmed by the actual making, selling, or consumption of these things. It's the same logic with overly violent video games and I support their existence too, as much as I don't particularly enjoy them. It only crosses the line when the game outright tells you to go do those things in real life, that's a different story. Or if it uses real-life material.

 

I don't think there's anything wrong with indulging in our darker, more primal thoughts and preferences. You can be the sort of person who fantasizes raping your co-workers or fondling kids or get off to the idea of mutilating someone into pieces and I think that's fine. It's something you prefer and you can't really ever change your preferences. You probably weren't born enjoying rape but you're the sort of person with the mental capacity to enjoy such things. If we go a little broader, people are born with sexual preferences and laws restricting those people to only have heterosexual thoughts and preferences are equally as ridiculous and terrible, aren't they? Liking immoral sexual acts is fine, but unfortunately for them, acting them out in real life is just something that would cause a lot of social unrest and harm people and that's really sad because chances are people are aware that their own preferences for rape and whatnot is harmful and bad but they can't help get off to it anyway(or maybe they don't care about that but they care about breaking the law, that's fine too). Doesn't it make sense to allow fictional rape porn to exist then, so people can enjoy that instead and relieve some of their sexual desires without harming people. Point, there are laws made to prevent such harmful acts in real life and that's alright, that's understandable, that's very essential to keep our society functional even, but preventing people from creating fictional portrayals of rape and the like and consuming them is just taking it too far. Way too far.

 

Sure, the existence of these things will always cause some people to go out of  control and enact them in real life and I'm not sure how to prevent it, but banning fictional rape of women is just not the way to go. Certainly if the policy review mentions banning rape of both men and women in Japanese media then I'd feel that's a little less ridiculous, although I'd object to it more since that's an even stronger act of censorship. And I'm pretty certain an earlier General thread established rather well that the rates of men getting raped is not a minor issue at all either.

 

just dont touch doujins and this is good fam

Rather than this, TPP's probably the thing that'll kill off Doujins, if anything.

[ihop]

tl;dr a country which treats women pretty terribly is trying to improve its record and try and make improvements but it means I can't play video games where you rape women so funk that sheet

 

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[Tourmaline]

Don't get me started on book reviewers! They're the most degenerate of all! But yeah, some decent storytelling in video games and criticism that reflects a demand for it would be pretty cool I guess.

Here, for I can't think of myself and feel Wittgenstein would help your words exchanged with Enguin:

 

"It is obvious that an imagined world, however different it may be from the real one, must have something - a form - in common with it."

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

tl;dr a country which treats women pretty terribly is trying to improve its record and try and make improvements but it means I can't play video games where you rape women so funk that sheet

 

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More like

 

"I don't care about them personally but it's stupid to ban them because they don't cause any actual harm"

I think.

[UltimateIRS]

Nothing is ever solved through censorship. As long as nobody is actually being harmed, point and laugh, don't ban.

[mitchermitcher]

tl;dr a country which treats women pretty terribly is trying to improve its record and try and make improvements but it means I can't play video games where you rape women so f*** that s***

 

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More like

 

"I don't care about them personally but it's stupid to ban them because they don't cause any actual harm"

I think.

I mean, sure, I'd love to be interpreted as saying the latter but I won't lie the tone of the former fits better. I don't object to anything else in that article since they seem like they're fixing actual issues, which means I have no real opinion on it.

[Just Crouton]

About rape simulators.

 

Video games (usually) have a justification for their violence.

 

For example, Doom, that game associated with a major school shooting, encouraged the player to take the role of a marine who brutally kills demons with shotguns, chainsaws, and rocket launchers. These demons have massacred his fellow soldiers and other personnel, and make it clear they're after the character. The player kills to survive, and to save the human race from the demon's invasion of Earth. The deadly weapons the player uses are necessary against these (sometimes cybernetic-enhanced) monsters that can't be reasoned with.

 

That said, what's the justification for sexually assaulting a person?

[Aix]

I think media can always have some influence on you, and if anything media could very well push sick individuals over the edge. When something like this is applied to a large population there very well could be results. However I have no data to corroborate my opinion.

 

However, is the same vein as violence in video games. I don't see how rape in media is much different.

 

About rape simulators.

 

Video games (usually) have a justification for their violence.

 

For example, Doom, that game associated with a major school shooting, encouraged the player to take the role of a marine who brutally kills demons with shotguns, chainsaws, and rocket launchers. These demons have massacred his fellow soldiers and other personnel, and make it clear they're after the character. The player kills to survive, and to save the human race from the demon's invasion of Earth. The deadly weapons the player uses are necessary against these (sometimes cybernetic-enhanced) monsters that can't be reasoned with.

 

That said, what's the justification for sexually assaulting a person?

I honestly could not give a sheet for why I'm killing things in most games and I'm sure many people would agree. If you really want, you can compare it to sadistic games like Beat the Boss (I think that's the name of that one mobile game where you just tortured or killed this guy over and over) or Happy Wheels.