Aix Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Do you agree or disagree with the topic title? Any controversial topic is prone to creating a sheet storm, but let's go~! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 I do agree. If you can't afford to care for a child I'd honestly think it borderline cruelty to bring one into the world. A baby cannot fend for itself, it its parents cannot fend for it what chance is there of any kind of quality of life. Children are expensive as fuck also, it's financially irresponsible to introduce another huge burden onto yourself if you're already barely above water and it's not going to end well for anyone involved, but that's kind of a different thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Parents should take their financials into account before having a kid, ideally. Part of being responsible for your child is making sure you'll be able to support them. I wouldn't go as far as to forbid couples from having children if they're poor, but I would urge them to really think it through. Because if they're just having a kid because they want to and they'll figure out logistics later, that's irresponsible and not cool. In the case of accidental pregnancies, I'd say it's more of a case by case basis. There are other factors present like socioeconomic backgrounds, how close the couple is, their stances on pro-life or pro-choice, etc. So I wouldn't think of setting a universal precedent there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 That's where adoption and--if necessary--abortion comes in. But then, the GOP wants to regulate women's Healthcare. Any who, I do agree. You do need financial stability to bring a child into the world. You will be distraught otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Agreed 100%. Kids with parents who make good money can give their kids more options when they get older. My dad makes a crapton of money and put me and my second-oldest brother through community college and uni, and helped the second-oldest through law school. I may never get a major job, but 2 associate's and a bachelor's give me a better chance of getting my foot in the door for...something. On the other hand, my oldest brother had a kid with no plan, and the kid suffers for it. The mom, who is the sole caretaker for this almost 12-year old, can barely provide for her because she voluntarily works a low amount of hours out of laziness, and relies on food stamps. My brother, who doesn't pay child support, apparently puts only his money into video games and the WWE Network. My niece's future sucks at this point. And that's my point. Only a jackass just decides to have kids without a longterm plan to ensure that kid has the chance for a successful future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 People are kinda missing a big part of this argument; The people who can afford to raise children don't want them, or at least want less of them. Yes, a sweeping generic statement of course, but it's one with some evidence in the gradually ageing populations of Europe and Japan. A child is many things; A life altering gift? Most definitely. A burden on your finances and lifestyle? Most definitely. A lack of societal pressure to have children, and settle down into a family, means that there are more people who don't want to do this, they want to enjoy there own lives instead. These are usually the people with a good lifestyle already, augmented by a lack of financial issues. They are educated enough to know what it involves, and thus make informed decisions about it. Whereas, the people who can't afford children I would say don't have the education (At least the social education) to do this, or still have older ideals of family instilled in them. It's not so much to do with them being a jackass who wants the kid to be in an awful enviroment I would say, rather instead the parents themselves are in the kind of environment that causes it. Or in the rare cases are people who want children for other reasons, like benefits (A minority case). Like ideally Western countries want higher birth rates, not lower ones. But that's a seperate issue. This isn't really me making a grand conclusion or anything, just a statement around the social factors involved which heavily influence these decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicmemesbro Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 This isn't limited to just financial reasons, this has to do with proper parenting as well. Even the richest of people can have the worst parenting skills. If parents know that they don't have the time to have children or try to have kids to "save their marriage" should stay away from having children altogether. That way we can have less trouble makers, criminals, and overall rude people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simping For Hina Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 People who can't afford to properly live should live. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 People who can't afford to properly live should live. /threadI don't understand how that relates to this. Anyway I agree with the OP as well. In that if someone barely are scrapping by should avoid children. I've seen what can happen to kids raised in a household that can't afford basic necessities and it's saddening.I understand wanting children, but if you want a child you should want them to be able to live a good life. And if you can't provide that you should reconsider. Now I wouldn't say take away children from people. That's just wrong, unless for extreme cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 This isn't limited to just financial reasons, this has to do with proper parenting as well. Even the richest of people can have the worst parenting skills. If parents know that they don't have the time to have children or try to have kids to "save their marriage" should stay away from having children altogether. That way we can have less trouble makers, criminals, and overall rude people.These are factors only relevant to people in a suitable financial situation though. Like, if you can't really afford a kid in the first place, you probably aren't going to stop and think 'Oh can I be a good parent to my kid, always be there for him, teach him the right lessons ect ect' and have that be the thing that turns you off. It's very much a view from the top end of society where that matters. And we are gradually getting into positions where that's not viable, and where goverments are going to start encouraging us to procreate like rabbits. Besides, I would like the former two of those groups of people to children raised in poverty or poor financial conditions, and thus likely worse education (Not exclusively of course, but there is a correlation between these things) and the later to just be the result of a culture change due to the internet. This sounds far too conservative for my liking, but money and it's resulting social impact is something that has to be considered in this discussion, because education and wealth are linked to birth rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 I agree from a personal perspective. I'm not going to even think about having children until I'm very financially stable. That being said, I would never judge people for having too many kids at a certain income bracket. It's a shame when kids don't get the care they need sure. To be honest, the only time it should ever be a concern to other people is when a kid lacks proper food, clothing or basic healthcare. Little Timmy doesn't need an iPhone 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 I don't understand how that relates to this. Think of the children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Think of the children. Isn't in this case that there would be no child to begin with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
宇佐見 蓮子@C94 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 seeing the sheet that happens down here, fully agree. the less abandoned kids on the streets forced to work for the lazy parents, the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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