"Voting For Hillary Clinton Because She's A Woman Is A Perfectly Valid (Not To Mention Smart) Political Decision — And Here's Why"

[Halubaris Maphotika]

http://www.bustle.com/articles/77961-voting-for-hillary-clinton-because-shes-a-woman-is-a-perfectly-valid-not-to-mention-smart

 

Discuss. Should we vote for Hillary for the reasons stated above or not?

[Nathanael D. Striker]

TBH, I'm not voting for Hillary Clinton. I don't think the use of the gender card is a valid reason to vote for someone. You should vote for people based on policy and what they will do for you. Voting for someone based solely on gender with no other legitimate reason is somewhat pathetic imo.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

If she can legitimately bring something new to the table and fix a lot of the problems in the US, then maybe she'll win.

As for the reasons in the linked article, there are some credible sources but otherwise point is flimsy.

 

It shouldn't matter what your gender is when voting for president or anyone for that matter.

 

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However, this doesn't mean I'm actually voting Hillary in 10 months; will have to see what she can come up with and that of the alternative options.

[Halubaris Maphotika]

 

The problem with Hillary is her obvious flip flopping shades of Romney. I know a lot of people hate TJ with a passion but even if you do, I think he makes a valid point in this video.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Soooo are we ignoring the fact she might be facing a Criminal Grand Jury soon? Because that in my mind would be enough to turn people away from her. The first female president being one with that kind of track record is not a good precedent. 

 

Also the fact that she's as inconsistent as certain members here, isn't really advocating for change, and has far too many hands feeding her pockets. There's no way in hell that the Republicans would work with her; As far as I can tell she is universally despised by that party despite the fact she's arguably more in line with them than the Democrats. She's a massive step backwards from Obama seemingly, and that's not what the US needs. The US needs someone to keep moving forwards to affect change. Oh and Trump will probably b****-slap her in the debates given how much dirt exists, and Trump is really good at that. 

 

Admittedly I'm a Brit, so I can only go by what I read, but none of it exactly makes Hilary seem like the right person to elect. Only like... one of the whole group of candidates seems sane to elect this year. And that's the independant socialist. 

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

It shouldn't matter what your gender is when voting for president or anyone for that matter.

 

Except it *has* mattered for 100% of the America's 43 presidents so far. 

 

That said, Hillary Clinton is corrupt, murderous scum (granted, most presidential candidates are) and it's unfortunate that she's the only female candidate with a chance. 

[mido9]

and Trump is really good at that. 

He just brings up Bill clinton's almost cosby-level number of affairs and rapes and it gets people to shut up about her 'sticking up for women'.

[Aerion Brightflame]

He just brings up Bill clinton's almost cosby-level number of affairs and rapes and it gets people to shut up about her 'sticking up for women'.

 

Basically. 

 

Like, as much as the Republicans hate Hilary, in my mind she is the candidate they want to face in the election assuming the end up with Trump. (I say assuming because I doubt they actually want Trump, there's just no one better with any kind of political traction). Simply because you can only beat Trump in an debate standing on policies and policies alone (Undermining his as the self benefiting ones they are). If you try and play it dirty, Trump will win because he's better at it than anyone else.

 

Sending the woman who both married Clinton, and has shot herself in the foot on so many issues, and who is potentially facing a Grand Jury is suicidal. Trump won't have to talk policy to make her seem like an awful candidate unless she composes herself incredibly well. Which won't happen; This is Hilary Clinton, she falls apart when things aren't going her way because she's got a kind of entitlement to power.

 

Whereas Bernie, the only other real option I can see, is less polarising than Clinton (Lots of polls in Iowa and New Hampshire that I've seen have people liking Bernie even when they won't vote for him), he's incredibly consistent and has been for decades, and at no point has tried to fight dirty directly. Even like slander ads aren't a thing I've seen. 

 

It's just... a really messed up political situation this year, because almost everyone is awful.

[Tentacruel]

The more I hear stuff like this, the more conservative I get. 

[Dad]

The same people voting for Hilary because she's a woman are the same people who voted for Obama because he's black.

 

1.)  I voted for Obama because I liked his mindset, his ideas, and his political agenda.  Not his skin color.

 

2.)  Assuming Bernie does not take the nomination, I doubt I'll vote for Hilary.  She and Obama might be close, but she has (as stated earlier in the thread) a terrible track record.  She's been caught lying more than once, not to mention being inconsistent in her votes, flip-flopping, and using the "woman card" as a ticket to her campaign's success.

 

Sweetheart, I couldn't care less about your pussy.  I'm interested in what you can do as President.  And right now, you could bring all the pussy in the world to the table, and it wouldn't mean a funking thing.

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

If this becomes Hilary vs Trump I'm not sure I can vote. Both choices are terrible. I guess I'd rather...I don't know...ugh.

 

Also of course "because she's a woman" isn't a valid reason. There's really no point in trying to make that specifically a topic.

[Aerion Brightflame]

If this becomes Hilary vs Trump I'm not sure I can vote. Both choices are terrible. I guess I'd rather...I don't know...ugh.

 

Also of course "because she's a woman" isn't a valid reason. There's really no point in trying to make that specifically a topic.

 

You vote to put Hilary in. 

 

I know she is an awful candidate, but it is likely that multiple Supreme Court nominations open up within the next Presidency iirc. 

 

So in order for hopes of significant reform to happen, you'd want a Democrat in charge of nominating those positions, because they are the most likely to be somewhat progressive about it. 

 

Essentially you start thinking long term, as is something that has to happen more in politics. 

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

You vote to put Hilary in. 

 

I know she is an awful candidate, but it is likely that multiple Supreme Court nominations open up within the next Presidency iirc. 

 

So in order for hopes of significant reform to happen, you'd want a Democrat in charge of nominating those positions, because they are the most likely to be somewhat progressive about it. 

 

Essentially you start thinking long term, as is something that has to happen more in politics. 

That's some good advice my friend.

It just feels so dirty voting Hilary.

[ENMaker]

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I want Hillary to win solely for the fact that Bernie will give Trump more of a challenge in the general 

[Halubaris Maphotika]

Hillary is not only the worst Democratic candidate, she is the worst period.

 

Yes, I am gonna f*cking say it. I would rather vote for Jeb Bush than Hillary Clinton.

 

One thing I feel is important as a citizen of the United States is to give my elected leaders the benefit of the doubt. To feel that whatever they do, even if it fails, was done under the impression of good intentions, unless they are impeached. I disagree with a lot of George W. Bush's policies, but I do not find the man evil incarnate, nor do I think all of his policies. Technically, he didn't even start the economic crash of the early 2000's, that was Bill Clinton's fault for repealing Glass-Steagall. Jeb Bush understands completely the public's animosity towards his brother and, even though he will not cater to their anger, he is willing to be honest and forthright about what he feels is right. Ted Cruz is a dumbass, but he is an honest dumbass. Marco Rubio and Chris Christie are the most Liberal of the group as it gets, Carly Fiorina has actual business experience alongside Donald Trump (Who I firmly believe is outright lying about his honest opinions and wouldn't dare enact what he says if he was ACTUALLY elected). Rand Paul has shown himself to be more logical than his father, Rick Santorum promotes transgender rights (something that I must say I found surprising), John Kasich has actual previous success within his state with a proven track record. Mike Huckabee is, once again, honest to a fault. Ben Carson has excellent views on the Medical Industry as a whole given his history.

 

You know what I see every time I hear Hillary Clinton speak? Lies. I don't get that honesty, I don't get that sincerity, I don't get that trust. And her recent attempts to mud sling Bernie Sanders' campaign is proof that she has no intention of doing this for the good of the party, and more for her place in power. I'll take Huckabee and Bush over her because I see a really dumb honesty, I can trust that they will attempt to do what they say even if I disagree. If Mrs. Clinton gets elected, I will accept her position and give her the respect and benefit of the doubt she has earned, but until then I will vote for anybody other than her. I don't give a good God-damn if she's liberal. I see nothing but pockets filled with cash from Wall Street exec's, desperate to maintain a hold in power. I made the mistake of rooting for Obama in 2012 and I got royally boned. I will not make that mistake again. Obama's political dynasty can no longer maintain the power they have.

 

This is why I want Bernie Sanders to win that damn nomination. YOU CAN DO IT BERNIE!

[Rapidfire]

Gender shouldn't decide who wins presidency. Yeah it'd be cool to have a female prez but she's inadequate in my opinion. People should vote for whoever has the points they agree with. 

[BT]

Gender should not be a decisive factor. If that is how it works, why not vote for Carly Fiorina.

Voting for gender is like voting for race, which is arguably how Obama won.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

^It might've been part of the reason but certainly wasn't *the* reason, Obama is a hell of a lot better of an orator than someone like Ben Carson and I think it's fair to say Carson is down for the count at this point. As far as American presidents go I think Obama will stand as one of the saner ones we'll live through. 

[BT]

^It might've been part of the reason but certainly wasn't *the* reason, Obama is a hell of a lot better of an orator than someone like Ben Carson and I think it's fair to say Carson is down for the count at this point. As far as American presidents go I think Obama will stand as one of the saner ones we'll live through. 

That is a good point. Obama is a better speaker, but other than that, Carson is Republican. That is probably the last thing Black America wants, a black republican. He would be, and he says he already is, an "Uncle Tom"

 

I do think Obama is pretty sane.

[Halubaris Maphotika]

That is a good point. Obama is a better speaker, but other than that, Carson is Republican. That is probably the last thing Black America wants, a black republican. He would be, and he says he already is, an "Uncle Tom"

 

I do think Obama is pretty sane.

Ugh, I hate that stupid insult. I hate the idiotic "Race Traitor" BS people have when they see people of the same race they disagree with. It's f*cking disgusting.

[BT]

Ugh, I hate that stupid insult. I hate the idiotic "Race Traitor" BS people have when they see people of the same race they disagree with. It's f*cking disgusting.

Well I never said I agreed with it, but it is how most Americans seem to think. It doesn't help that Carson went against the Black Lives Matter campaign

[epicmemesbro]

I don't know if she should be even eligible, with the Benghazi scandal in mind. I don't why people say that having a woman in something male dominated just because they are female. I guess diversity, but apart from that, does this mean that all women involved in male dominated fields are exempt from the scrupulous judgment and critique that men get?

[BT]

I don't know if she should be even eligible, with the Benghazi scandal in mind. I don't why people say that having a woman in something male dominated just because they are female. I guess diversity, but apart from that, does this mean that all women involved in male dominated fields are exempt from the scrupulous judgment and critique that men get?

Yes... that is how progressive movements work. (and arguably Affirmative Action if done wrong)

[Dad]

I don't know if she should be even eligible, with the Benghazi scandal in mind. I don't why people say that having a woman in something male dominated just because they are female. I guess diversity, but apart from that, does this mean that all women involved in male dominated fields are exempt from the scrupulous judgment and critique that men get?

 

First and foremost, I agree that the whole Benghazi situation was a tragedy.  It's always a tragedy when you talk about the lost lives of our soldiers.  But saying Hilary isn't eligible (no I don't like her) because of Benghazi is a funking farce.

 

Do you have any idea how many defense contractors were killed in Iraq?  And we're not psychic.  We didn't know that one day someone was going to attack Benghazi.  So let's take that issue off the table and talk about the real problems with Hilary.

 

She's a flip-flopper, she's very adamant that her campaign is winning because she's female, and she's deceptive in that she attacks the same people she entrusted some two decades ago.