Βyakuya Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 2 Level 4 monstersOnce per chain, during your Main Phase or your opponent's Battle Phase, if your opponent has more total cards in their hand and their side of the field than you do: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; destroy all other cards on the field, also your opponent takes no further damage this turn (this is a Quick Effect). The day this card got banned made victims of this card who were filled to the brim of salt, rejoiced. Now some are just wishing they could have him back when they are in dire straits. This card was an effortless nuke with the simple conditions of 2 Level 4s that could evade a lot of things with its Quick effect. However, it was balanced due to the fact that you have to be in a disadvantage to use this card effectively, and it would cost you for that turn as you could not deal damage. Now in Konami's prison cell, Pendulum decks are roaming free without the worry of being suddenly field nuked and that you would have to deal with CDI and Rafflesia and intimidating boards with effort, one card at a time. But ow that Pepe are at its highest peak of power in TCG, I believe it is time we let the Nuke Roach be released with the cost of some salt. The promotions for Kozmo and early Pepe are over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Only time it's a problem card is with nekroz tbh the trish-roach dilemma was dumb in a deck that can fake out on being at a disadvantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Only time it's a problem card is with nekroz tbh the trish-roach dilemma was dumb in a deck that can fake out on being at a disadvantage. It was pretty overpowered when it came out too, especially in the Geargia mirror (or any matchup involving Geargia vs a rank 4 deck tbh) where if one person could make Exciton Knight efficiently it would win the game if it went through. It probably could come back, I don't have an especially strong opinion on it either way. Definitely was a problem with Nekroz of Trishula though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Ah, right. Yeah, in LVAL meta it was nuts since everything devotes a lot to the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Not sure if this had any baring on it's TCG Ban, but there were times in PEPE where you could activate a Plush Scale or two, then proceed to Exciton to make Shock/Ptolo/Raff and be in a much better overall situation. It's also a poor man's version of Raigeki that you could use with Dweller for what that's worth. But by and large, I think it was a hit for Kozmos more than anything. Since the ships would replace themselves you could turn a Dark Destroyer into a slip rider for the cost of two mere lv 4's. That's something KoA's $ machine can't have liked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 But by and large, I think it was a hit at Kozmo's more than anything. Since the ships would replace themselves you could turn a Dark Destroyer into a slip rider for the cost of two mere lv 4's. That's something KoA's $ machine can't have liked This was hit when they're busy milking Kozmo so it's not really a valid argument. Another thing is how pre BOSH Kozmo don't actually put R4s on board economically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted January 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Not sure if this had any baring on it's TCG Ban, but there were times in PEPE where you could activate a Plush Scale or two, then proceed to Exciton to make Shock/Ptolo/Raff and be in a much better overall situation. It's also a poor man's version of Raigeki that you could use with Dweller for what that's worth. But by and large, I think it was a hit at Kozmo's more than anything. Since the ships would replace themselves you could turn a Dark Destroyer into a slip rider for the cost of two mere lv 4's. That's something KoA's $ machine can't have liked DOCS was on its way and they wanted Kozmo and early Pepe to emerge in the game without no obstacles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 This was hit when they're busy milking Kozmo so it's not really a valid argument. Another thing is how pre BOSH Kozmo don't actually put R4s on board economically.My error. I failed at english. "Hit at Kozmo" should have been "Hit for Kozmo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman Indra Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 umm i think this card screams "always keep me at 1", come on the nuke knight did not deserve sudden jail. #BringBackKnightNuke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 umm i think this card screams "always keep me at 1", come on the nuke knight did not deserve sudden jail. #BringBackKnightNukeWell TCG needs to do something about Plushfire/Ariadne because this card does double as the Neo Heavy Storm. I have my suspicions that the banning of Plush OCG side might not have been as much of a poor knee jerk rxn as I thought but merely the easiest method to spare about 6 others cards from hits including dear nuke roach here. That being said, the fact they left Duster instead of swapping for heavy pretty much shits on that theory, and would likely be giving Konami too much credit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman Indra Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 how come standard staples like this are banned and floodgates that are worse exists freely. This game amazes me sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 how come standard staples like this are banned and floodgates that are worse exists freely. This game amazes me sometimes.Simple really, Floodgates slow the game down, and most generic staples tend to speed it up and allow for power plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 It's a necessary evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Highlander Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 A card which rewards you for now simply dedicating everything to the board at once and an out to locks like aria (without the other one) or a card which can break the remains of a lock if there are no answers to it.I must say even though I dislike the usual spam of rank 4s and the cheapest possible answer (named castel) I do like this card for being able to reverse games and punish decks for running out of steam, by not preparing for a possible field nuke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 I did miss this card right after it was placed in the banlist, wishing during some duels that it was still around to clear the opponent from his/her Pendulum scales. I have always been fine with this card since it is such an amazing tool for punishing the opponent for overextending, dealing with floodgates, or giving you a chance for staying on the game longer by reducing or equalizing the difference in card advantage between you and the opponent. I don't think it will be removed from the TCG banlist anytime soon, though. BOSH is still fresh and I feel they may want to keep PePes and Kozmos at the top for a bit longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 this is why you always need to waste your hand on summoning boss monsters, so you don't have to deal with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 I don't think this is the "poor man's" anything... If anything, it is a more generic and more expensive (money wise) Black Rose much of the time. The card isn't really a problem even if it can hurt pretty badly when you are caught off guard.LVAL IS kind of far back in terms of meta game. We have been at the Pendulum era a little over a year and that wasn't even the last of Xyz's era expansions. Finally, I'll just leave this video here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King K. Azo Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Honestly, I didn't mind him too much. Until that's all people did. They could totally bring him back to one... Maybe two. Three.., I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 I really just want this thing back to 1, at least. This is one of my favorite Rank 4s of all time, and, believe it or not, there wasn't a single time I can remember where I was salty at this thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Did anybody actually run 3?...WOULD anybody actually run 3?Deserves to be back, but I have no idea if he'll be let out or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catman25 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 I only want this back because I traded my Ulti Veiler for it like a week before it got banned. I've def had times where I was like yo, Exction would've funked me up real good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirReal Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 I feel like Instant Norden is the reason this thing and Chain are behind bars. Being a generic R4 already made this easily accessible, but Instant Fusion basically would double as a "get out of jail for 1000LP" card with this thing around. It makes access to it absurdly easy, which is not how a field nuke should work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 I feel like Instant Norden is the reason this thing and Chain are behind bars. Being a generic R4 already made this easily accessible, but Instant Fusion basically would double as a "get out of jail for 1000LP" card with this thing around. It makes access to it absurdly easy, which is not how a field nuke should work.Horse baka and His Boat both need to be shot or put to 1. Prolly 0 thoug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 that's not a boat that's a chariot and norden protects us from the gizoogly old one stuffs so we can sleep at night give mercy please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanashimi Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 funny people few format back wrote on the duel note "no exciton" and now we got "no infinity" . . . miss him yea! i'm not into that "field nuke all the way" but i mean look now, with pendulum stuff, especially deck like pepe generates pluses pluses∞, this somehow help to catchup when you're in a pinch or just happy nuking and have fun I feel like Instant Norden is the reason this thing and Chain are behind bars. Being a generic R4 already made this easily accessible, but Instant Fusion basically would double as a "get out of jail for 1000LP" card with this thing around. It makes access to it absurdly easy, which is not how a field nuke should work.then ban norden, release chain and exciton . . . and oh! pls bring back my construct!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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