Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 No; I meant what format of Yugioh I played.Not sure, do tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nyx Avatar Posted January 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 @Phil, I'm not at all against banning cards. It's the generic degenerate shits like Noden, Ptolo, Duster, and Raigeki that I want to see gone instead of niche synchros that can be outed by easy techsAnd thankfully most of those are banned in OCG.Not sure, do tell.TCG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 What about Solemn Notice? Doesn't answer it turn 1, kind of a big thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 And thankfully most of those are banned in OCG.TCG.I guess, I may have been a little too harsh on Noden however, I did enjoy Mr. Horse Boat with 1 IF Yeah, I figured, OCG never had to deal with a format with Wavering Eyes where UTL didn't exist. But TT is still a super fragile deck IMODoesn't answer it turn 1, kind of a big thing.What about Jigabyte. That's still run TCG side isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nyx Avatar Posted January 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 I guess, I may have been a little too harsh on Noden however, I did enjoy Mr. Horse Boat with 1 IF Yeah, I figured, OCG never had to deal with a format with Wavering Eyes where UTL didn't exist. But TT is still a super fragile deck IMO What about Jigabyte. That's still run TCG side isn't it?Even so, there were cards like Lose 1 Turn and Re-Qliate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Even so, there were cards like Lose 1 Turn and Re-Qliate.I was under the impression that TT moved away from Floodgates. Floods were more OCG's style of playing Qli's afaik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 TT only run 2 floodgate, which are Skill Drain and Vanity's. It's TURBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO for a reason, y'know. Jigabyte is still run TCG-side, and do have some ability to answer Beast, but dies to Raff. Also stop talking about TT, it's ridiculously off-topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nyx Avatar Posted January 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 TT only run 2 floodgate, which are Skill Drain and Vanity's. It's TURBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO for a reason, y'know. Jigabyte is still run TCG-side, and do have some ability to answer Beast, but dies to Raff. Also stop talking about TT, it's ridiculously off-topic.I almost never encountered turbo. And what is it with everything needing to be "turbo"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 I almost never encountered turbo. And what is it with everything needing to be "turbo"? Well the deck's name is Towers Turbo. There's normal Qliphort, and there's Towers Turbo.Talks about TT after this post will be considered offtopic and spam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 funk, Oger outs Ptolo, CDI, Beast, Noden, AND Raff...yet people still run it at a non 3 number Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nyx Avatar Posted January 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 funk, Oger outs Ptolo, CDI, Beast, Noden, AND Raff...yet people still run it at a non 3 numberWhenever I use it, I use three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Whenever I use it, I use three.Which would explain why you're not nearly as salty about a decent to bad card as the rest of these people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 I have honestly never seen this been played at all in all the Pepe I have seen. In some scenarios, it is very powerful since it's a limitless Spell negation, but even if the conditions for this card's summon are not hard to get, it's still vulnerable and can be shoved away with an R4 problem-solver unless they're running hand-traps like Veiler or other presences like CDI or Rafflesia. This card being idle won't be so good but compared to other cards being used this format, it strengthens this card's effectiveness. This card I would only imagine would be truly effective is that you would wipe their Scales with something like Wavering Eyes and get this out. There is a lategame cost to this but chances are it can secure your victory in some scenarios if they can't muster enough resources to out it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 funk, Oger outs Ptolo, CDI, Beast, Noden, AND Raff...yet people still run it at a non 3 number Ogre doesn't out Raff. You get rid of it but Raff will still screw you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Ogre doesn't out Raff. You get rid of it but Raff will still screw you.Raff usually has 2-3 Holes in the deck IIRC, and most people don't run multiple raffs. I mean you break the lock even though you might get hit by a hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 I mean most people summon Raff with the expectation of only using its effect once. Oh, to shift the topic back to Beast. Just noticed that new regional results are up.So big things:1. Beast (and Palomuro) now is mainly sided due to rogue matchups still being aplenty due to format not stabilizing yet and as we all know it sucks against all other matchups outside of PePe. It is still completely ridiculous in that matchup and against pends in general.2. Meliae didn't take off mainly since Eccentrick is relegated to side deck in a lot of decks, and drawing bulb is ass without twister.3. GOSR is barely played. Almost no topping decks run it in main, and most that do run it side it at 1 or 2. Mainly since while it can out some good things, it doesn't decide matchups as much as Veiler and Maxx (which consistently appears in these tops) due to being a 1-4-1 trade with few edges against some cards, and also because it sucks T1 just like other hand traps.4. People are shuffling between running 1-2 holes, that + Strikes and Warning, vanity spliced in, or no traps at all.5. Psi-blocker is apparently kinda popular as a side card. Huh (admittedly it does stop a lot of things including Beast, but didn't expect it to be popular.) And also, on the topic of GOSR vs Beast, my biggest issue with it is, while it gets rid of Beast and allows you to play, it's a really taxing 2 for 1 play (one spell to bait beast's effect, and GOSR vs Beast). PePe generates advantage like crazy, but this happens when they do get to play. Before that, everything in your hand counts, and plain losing 2 of them to out 1 card hurts a lot (also a big reason why Moulin is still a big pain in the ass). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 I mean most people summon Raff with the expectation of only using its effect once. Oh, to shift the topic back to Beast. Just noticed that new regional results are up.So big things:1. Beast (and Palomuro) now is mainly sided due to rogue matchups still being aplenty due to format not stabilizing yet and as we all know it sucks against all other matchups outside of PePe. It is still completely ridiculous in that matchup and against pends in general.2. Meliae didn't take off mainly since Eccentrick is relegated to side deck in a lot of decks, and drawing bulb is ass without twister.3. GOSR is barely played. Almost no topping decks run it in main, and most that do run it side it at 1 or 2. Mainly since while it can out some good things, it doesn't decide matchups as much as Veiler and Maxx (which consistently appears in these tops) due to being a 1-4-1 trade with few edges against some cards, and also because it sucks T1 just like other hand traps.4. People are shuffling between running 1-2 holes, that + Strikes and Warning, vanity spliced in, or no traps at all.5. Psi-blocker is apparently kinda popular as a side card. Huh (admittedly it does stop a lot of things including Beast, but didn't expect it to be popular.) And also, on the topic of GOSR vs Beast, my biggest issue with it is, while it gets rid of Beast and allows you to play, it's a really taxing 2 for 1 play (one spell to bait beast's effect, and GOSR vs Beast). PePe generates advantage like crazy, but this happens when they do get to play. Before that, everything in your hand counts, and plain losing 2 of them to out 1 card hurts a lot (also a big reason why Moulin is still a big pain in the ass).That's fair Nai, but the utility of Oger tends to be fairly high in that it can 1) Stop Ptolo Plays2) Stop Noden Plays (if he's still popular)3) Stop CDI plays4) Stop Beast Plays5) Stop Turtle Draw Engine6) Stop Luster/Plush Combo7) Stop Monkeyboard that's a lot of utility on one card, and it's ability to be used whenever might give it an edge over veiler. The reason why I think it's seeing less play than veiler in TCG is simply due to the price tag it has here vs it had in OCG, not as much the utility of the card. The two for one play is fair with respect to Nat, but it's hardly true for the rest of the cards on the list. GOSR does have the weakness of being a hard OPT though. Although by and large, I feel the problem is more with pendulums and not Nat Beast, however, with TCG not being my forte, I'll back off on this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Doubtful. A lot of tourney players completed PePe with BOSH stuffs just one day after release (this includes the inflated hype prices). And even if they do pick this up only recently (doubtful, GOSR was really damn hyped even until now here), there should be some tops with it mained at 2 or 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Doubtful. A lot of tourney players completed PePe with BOSH stuffs just one day after release (this includes the inflated hype prices). And even if they do pick this up only recently (doubtful, GOSR was really damn hyped even until now here), there should be some tops with it mained at 2 or 3.Could be wrong then. But it's following the same trend as OCG so far. Veiler is the main card at the start of the format, Maxx slowly fades, it become veiler oger, veiler fades, traps go in, and it finally settles down at maxx and oger. Should be neat to see how much of that was due to Shock's warping or it's just a general trend with pepe. Also veiler is trash vs Kozmo. SHIV and it's Kozmo support should be the deciding factor between veiler and oger imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Veiler is amazing against Kozmo actually. It kills their only T1 play (Tincan) since you can negate it during the Main Phase, leaving them with a very weak opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Isn't tin can optional so at EP you can wait for Veiler to resolve via SEGOC (I think that's it) and then activate Tin Can it's a narrow interaction anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Even so fyre, Under Nat Beast is the only time you would even consider Veiler. Since otherwise EP E-Tele, CoTH, or Power Well to get it back. Veiler is too narrow in what times it can work for it to be a better card than Oger in my personal opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 So is this topic, like, what... Arguing that stupid cards can exist as long as it has counters for it? Srsly, these 3 pages just seem like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 So is this topic, like, what... Arguing that stupid cards can exist as long as it has counters for it?Srsly, these 3 pages just seem like it.It's arguing 1) the definition of "stupid"2) when a card ceases to be "stupid"3) If a card is deemed "stupid" is the immediate answer to ban it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 Veiler stops Sorcerer. Which is probably the most important thing at this current time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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