Naturia Beast

[The Nyx Avatar]

 

1 EARTH Tuner + 1 or more non-Tuner EARTH monsters During either player's turn, when a Spell Card is activated: You can send the top 2 cards of your Deck to the Graveyard; negate the activation, and if you do, destroy it. This card must be face-up on the field to activate and to resolve this effect.

 

Do I smell Pendulum negation? Even so, this card's limited to EARTH monsters, and is still vulnerable to all sorts of removal, such as Yuki Usagi/Ghost Ogre & Snow Rabbit and Eccentric Archfiend.

[Dova]

deskbots

[Catman25]

This made 'coons the absolute sheet back in Nekroz format. But then people started running clowns and sheet and I had a board of like Sandayu+Beast+Shekinaga broken by Nekroz, saddest day of my life

 

I know pendulum mirrors try to make this, but I haven't had one dropped on me yet, and I fail to see how they'd consistently do

 

It's also one of those things you have to make turn one if you can, and then you just scoop when you find out they're playing BA

[Trebuchet MS]

Powerful stuff, considering the fact that its cost is nearly non-existent and has no activation limit. The full EARTH restriction and its slightly low ATK are what hold it back from being ridiculous, not to mention the ability for monsters to take it out themselves with ease or to make something big enough to do the job.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

This made 'coons the absolute s*** back in Nekroz format. But then people started running clowns and s*** and I had a board of like Sandayu+Beast+Shekinaga broken by Nekroz, saddest day of my life

 

I know pendulum mirrors try to make this, but I haven't had one dropped on me yet, and I fail to see how they'd consistently do

 

It's also one of those things you have to make turn one if you can, and then you just scoop when you find out they're playing BA

That's because bad players are over hyping it as usual

[Jord200]

 

That's because bad players are over hyping it as usual

 

 

 

What else is new.

 

Also is it bad when I first saw this card, I thought it looked buff? Mainly because of the front legs.

[Althemia]

Card should be banned tbh, it's so easy to make turn 1 with a reasonable opening hand and beats PePe that didn't open 1 of their 5 answers. :[

[The Nyx Avatar]

Card should be banned tbh, it's so easy to make turn 1 with a reasonable opening hand and beats PePe that didn't open 1 of their 5 answers. :[

Name what Decks are capable of Summoning it.

[Maeriberii Haan]

TCG Pals do it by using the X-saber level 1 tuner, mainly since it's searchable by King of the Feral Imps. You'll lose your NS but it's not that big of a deal since Raff Beast is a pain to out T1. And this setup allows you to do it in almost every T1s.

 

Not sure whether this'll keep up later on since the format is still new. Losing NS is a pain after all, and leaving Beast without backup is kinda bad. However it is ridiculously accessible now, and in many hands you can give it backup it needs to survive.

[Synchronized]

Literally Pepe

Just use bulb and hatrick

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 1 of their 5 answers

Or TCG can stop pussy footing around and move traps up to larger amounts...or actually run good cards like Ghost oger...it's hardly nat beasts fault that you don't wanna run good outs to multiple cards

 

If you run 2-3 Maxx and 3 Ghost Oger as you ALREADY should. Getting the ability to out Nat is pretty simple

 

And no this isn't some sheet like bullblader and Djinn since both those card have multiple uses vs pepe and not just a localized use against Beast...

[Maeriberii Haan]

Or TCG can stop pussy footing around and move traps up to larger amounts...

 

I mean TCG Pepe only run 1 trap (Treacherous Trap Hole) atm and traps do jackshit to turn 1 Beast anyway.

[Althemia]

Name what Decks are capable of Summoning it.

The only one that matters: PePe. Meliae into Glow-Up or King Feral into the X-Saber Tuner are both consistent ways they summon this because it's hard to beat a lot of the time.

 

Or TCG can stop pussy footing around and move traps up to larger amounts...or actually run good cards like Ghost oger...it's hardly nat beasts fault that you don't wanna run good outs to multiple cards

 

If you run 2-3 Maxx and 3 Ghost Oger as you ALREADY should. Getting the ability to out Nat is pretty simple

 

And no this isn't some sheet like bullblader and Djinn since both those card have multiple uses vs pepe and not just a localized use against Beast...

TCG already plays 2 Ghost Ogre and 1-3 Eccentrick, just because a card has outs doesn't necessarily make the card any less stupid. Does that make this card any less toxic to the game environment? Probably not. It doesn't matter what happens in the future honestly, Nat Beast is going to be one of those cards that should be banned above all else because it locks out of an aspect of the game for literally no cost and diluting your deck full of answers to answer just this shows it's a problem.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

I mean TCG Pepe only run 1 trap (Treacherous Trap Hole) atm and traps do jackshit to turn 1 Beast anyway.

Compuls tends to work quite well due to it's chainability. If only we could run three of those like OCG can

 

TCG already plays 2 Ghost Ogre and 1-3 Eccentrick, just because a card has outs doesn't necessarily make the card any less stupid. Does that make this card any less toxic to the game environment? Probably not. It doesn't matter what happens in the future honestly, Nat Beast is going to be one of those cards that should be banned above all else because it locks out of an aspect of the game for literally no cost and diluting your deck full of answers to answer just this shows it's a problem.

You should be 3 Oger for Luster and Monkey already. And yes, it does make it not toxic at all because you're running card that already hit the engine pretty hard, and have the added bonus of hitting a play that wastes your normal summon. You're not diluting your deck, because again, said card, Oger is quite deadly to hit the Luster/Monkey engine already

 

A lot of cards lock sheet out, we should ban all the floodgates if that's the design track you wanna go on.

 

I know this is asking a lot, but has TCG ever considered something called innovation? Nat Beast is quite easy to play around and actually does have a cost in that it needs to send to the graveyard while being face up thru resolution. How about instead of jabroniing, you guys learn to exploit that to your benefit.

 

Ex.

 

OCG Meta has BA, which need the grave and Dracopals which search a fair bit, people teched MC2 to out Veiler on Crobat. Added Bonus, fucks Nat Beast, granted you have to open.

 

Ex. 2

 

Monkey Board and Luster get the deck flowing, Ghost oger outs both those cards and stops the advantage train. Added Bonus, fucks Nat Beast

 

Ex. 3

 

both Dracopals and BA need their extra, also Dominion lock needs a face up monarch, hey compuls hits all three decks, Added Bonus, fucks Nat Beast, granted you have to open.

 

it's really not hard to look outside the box if you're not desperate for the game to be easy to play

[ihop]

Please stop recommending people to play shite cards to out overpowered and oppressive cards just because you insist that no cards should be banned. Compulse is an awful card that makes turn 1 plays so much worse and makes the deck lose a whole bunch of speed, it's not a viable option to play at 1, 3 or funking 6 and bringing it back will make no difference. You're quoting like 3-4 unsearchable cards to out Beast which is basically saying "if you have these you don't lose, if not you lose" which is hardly fair. I've wanted this card banned since Sam format since blanket spell negation is always going to be broken and this guy is particularly easy to make and has a particularly big body.

[The Nyx Avatar]

Please stop recommending people to play shite cards to out overpowered and oppressive cards just because you insist that no cards should be banned. Compulse is an awful card that makes turn 1 plays so much worse and makes the deck lose a whole bunch of speed, it's not a viable option to play at 1, 3 or funking 6 and bringing it back will make no difference. You're quoting like 3-4 unsearchable cards to out Beast which is basically saying "if you have these you don't lose, if not you lose" which is hardly fair. I've wanted this card banned since Sam format since blanket spell negation is always going to be broken and this guy is particularly easy to make and has a particularly big body.

 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Please stop recommending people to play shite cards to out overpowered and oppressive cards just because you insist that no cards should be banned. Compulse is an awful card that makes turn 1 plays so much worse and makes the deck lose a whole bunch of speed, it's not a viable option to play at 1, 3 or f***ing 6 and bringing it back will make no difference. You're quoting like 3-4 unsearchable cards to out Beast which is basically saying "if you have these you don't lose, if not you lose" which is hardly fair. I've wanted this card banned since Sam format since blanket spell negation is always going to be broken and this guy is particularly easy to make and has a particularly big body.

You really need to stop exaggerating. I've never said nothing should be banned, I just don't agree with your logic that anything that's mildly annoying should get banned. 

 

Compuls is bad you claim, yet is is run at 2-3 in a format with Duster when it's less likely to survive. Honestly, at this point I'm wondering if you know pepe as well as you're making it out to be. The deck has such a high search/draw ceiling that running a few cards that don't have the sole purpose of advancing your games state barely weakens the deck. 

 

Unless you're running the god awful ariadne build, it's not like the Solemn are searchable either, never stopped anyone from running them. Hell in a world with Twin Twister, Compuls outshines the solemns especially when considering ED monsters.

 

The on argument you can make is Kozmo, but that's hardly a problem for nat beast anyway

 

Lets be honest Hoppy, you want a lot of cards banned that have no good reason being on the list like Towers and Denko for the simple fact that they irritate you to have to play against. 

 

If I'm an extreme as you're accusing me of being, you're just as terrible, but on the other side of the spectrum

 

Terrible cards is hardly the fair word to use when, again, Ghost Oger outs atleast 6 non-nat beast cards in pepe. How about instead of terrible, you settle with "cards I don't like" 

 

Ban them too!! What, you expect me to work to remove cards and not have all my answers handed to me on a silver platter? B-b-blasphemy 

[ihop]

[crappy spell negators]

 

You're kinda cherry picking a single point of my argument here, so maybe not ALL blanket spell negation is broken but Horus is so situational and bad that it's not even worth considering and Village was actually probably the worst part of Nekroz format bar Djinn lock so even that I'd argue is broken, but I suppose Nekroz was an exceptionally spell-reliant deck and there happened to be a spellcaster deck about, so I suppose it's not too bad a card under normal circumstances. The majority of spell negators have definitely had an unhealthy impact at some point in the game.

 

Lets be honest Hoppy, you want a lot of cards banned that have no good reason being on the list like Towers and Denko for the simple fact that they irritate you to have to play against. 

 

I mean, I don't really disagree with this but I just think that "irritating me" is a viable reason for a card to be banned. At the end of the day I like to play Yugioh, as do the majority of players, at least the majority of competitive players who value the ability to play games in which they can leverage their superior skill to beat a player rather than risk a coinflip between having an out to x totally oppressive card and not having an out to x totally oppressive card which is what you get with stuff like Towers and Beast and to a lesser extent Denko although I feel the reasoning for Denko is a little bit different.

 

Yeah, I'm trigger happy about cards being banned but the common pattern is that generally I go after floodgates and singular blowout cards (Denko) above all. Naturia Beast forces the opponent to have a certain out and makes them lose if they don't, even if you're prepared to play compulse and tons and tons of outs there are still going to be games where you're staring down a Naturia Beast and can't do a single thing about it just because all your cards are negated by it. At least with stuff like CDI there's a degree of decision making in trying to bait out the negates and it isn't just a coinflip.

[The Nyx Avatar]

You really need to stop exaggerating. I've never said nothing should be banned, I just don't agree with your logic that anything that's mildly annoying should get banned.

 

Compuls is bad you claim, yet is is run at 2-3 in a format with Duster when it's less likely to survive. Honestly, at this point I'm wondering if you know pepe as well as you're making it out to be. The deck has such a high search/draw ceiling that running a few cards that don't have the sole purpose of advancing your games state barely weakens the deck.

 

Unless you're running the god awful ariadne build, it's not like the Solemn are searchable either, never stopped anyone from running them. Hell in a world with Twin Twister, Compuls outshines the solemns especially when considering ED monsters.

 

The on argument you can make is Kozmo, but that's hardly a problem for nat beast anyway

 

Lets be honest Hoppy, you want a lot of cards banned that have no good reason being on the list like Towers and Denko for the simple fact that they irritate you to have to play against.

 

If I'm an extreme as you're accusing me of being, you're just as terrible, but on the other side of the spectrum

 

Terrible cards is hardly the fair word to use when, again, Ghost Oger outs atleast 6 non-nat beast cards in pepe. How about instead of terrible, you settle with "cards I don't like"

 

Ban them too!! What, you expect me to work to remove cards and not have all my answers handed to me on a silver platter? B-b-blasphemy

I disagree with that Towers part, but Denko's fine. And Compulsory Evacuation Device doesn't have the same luster it once had.

You're kinda cherry picking a single point of my argument here, so maybe not ALL blanket spell negation is broken but Horus is so situational and bad that it's not even worth considering and Village was actually probably the worst part of Nekroz format bar Djinn lock so even that I'd argue is broken, but I suppose Nekroz was an exceptionally spell-reliant deck and there happened to be a spellcaster deck about, so I suppose it's not too bad a card under normal circumstances. The majority of spell negators have definitely had an unhealthy impact at some point in the game.

 

 

I mean, I don't really disagree with this but I just think that "irritating me" is a viable reason for a card to be banned. At the end of the day I like to play Yugioh, as do the majority of players, at least the majority of competitive players who value the ability to play games in which they can leverage their superior skill to beat a player rather than risk a coinflip between having an out to x totally oppressive card and not having an out to x totally oppressive card which is what you get with stuff like Towers and Beast and to a lesser extent Denko although I feel the reasoning for Denko is a little bit different.

 

Yeah, I'm trigger happy about cards being banned but the common pattern is that generally I go after floodgates and singular blowout cards (Denko) above all. Naturia Beast forces the opponent to have a certain out and makes them lose if they don't, even if you're prepared to play compulse and tons and tons of outs there are still going to be games where you're staring down a Naturia Beast and can't do a single thing about it just because all your cards are negated by it. At least with stuff like CDI there's a degree of decision making in trying to bait out the negates and it isn't just a coinflip.

You do know that Naturia Beast requires specifically EARTH monsters to Summon, wereas Cyber Dragon Infinity can be Summoned via Ptolemaus.

[ihop]

You do know that Naturia Beast requires specifically EARTH monsters to Summon, wereas Cyber Dragon Infinity can be Summoned via Ptolemaus.

 

In PePe and a whole bunch of other decks it's no harder to summon Naturia Beast than it is CDI. Just because it's not generic doesn't mean it's not overpowered in the deck you can play it in. 

[The Nyx Avatar]

In PePe and a whole bunch of other decks it's no harder to summon Naturia Beast than it is CDI. Just because it's not generic doesn't mean it's not overpowered in the deck you can play it in.

What about Solemn Notice?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I disagree with that Towers part, but Denko's fine. And Compulsory Evacuation Device doesn't have the same luster it once had.

You do know that Naturia Beast requires specifically EARTH monsters to Summon, wereas Cyber Dragon Infinity can be Summoned via Ptolemaus.

Towers is a tower of s***. It's just TCG doesn't have UTL and Europe doesn't have Crab King yet. Even then, TT was a terrible deck

 

CED will only get stronger as time passes, it's easily in the top 3 best traps OCG side, and that's a lot more brutal towards backrow. 

 

In the context of Nat Beast, CED is one of the best cards you could run

 

@Phil, I'm not at all against banning cards. It's the generic degenerate shits like Noden, Ptolo, Duster, and Raigeki that I want to see gone instead of niche synchros that can be outed by easy techs

[The Nyx Avatar]

Towers is a tower of s***. It's just TCG doesn't have UTL and Europe doesn't have Crab King yet. Even then, TT was a terrible deck

 

Well what did you think I played at the time?

CED will only get stronger as time passes, it's easily in the top 3 best traps OCG side, and that's a lot more brutal towards backrow.

 

In the context of Nat Beast, CED is one of the best cards you could run

 

Did you mean "CDI"?

 

 

EDIT: Never mind.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Well what did you think I played at the time?

Hopefully you were smart enough to not play Tower Turbo

 

I'd hope either Shaddolls or Nekroz

[The Nyx Avatar]

Hopefully you were smart enough to not play Tower Turbo

 

I'd hope either Shaddolls or Nekroz

No; I meant what format of Yugioh I played.