"It’s time to consider a curfew for men"

[Makο]

 

The point of that comparison was just to demonstrate that the objective stupidity of something doesn't mean it can't gain traction. There are comments on this article supporting it, and however small the percentage may be it's still there. No harm is done by bringing this kind of nonsense to light, it's better to be aware of stupidity and these ideas than not. No thread on a YuGiOh forum is going to be of any consequence anyway, may as well laugh at idiocy and, as VCR did for everyone, refute the shite it purports.

If this idea does gain traction, it should definitely be brought up and discussed until everything is said a dozen times over. But the way I see this thread, it wasn't a thread created to "laugh at idiocy." It was brought up as a serious thing to be reprimanded.

 

I can basically understand what you're trying to get across, but there are so many other more important and relevant things we could be discussing, and I feel like those should take priority.

[Halubaris Maphotika]

If this idea does gain traction, it should definitely be brought up and discussed until everything is said a dozen times over. But the way I see this thread, it wasn't a thread created to "laugh at idiocy." It was brought up as a serious thing to be reprimanded.

 

I can basically understand what you're trying to get across, but there are so many other more important and relevant things we could be discussing, and I feel like those should take priority.

It is General thread. There is no real priority thing here. For someone who wants this topic to die you sure gave it more posts than you deemed necessary in the first place.

 

Also anti-feminist circle jerk? REALLY? Who else here, other than me, is anti-feminist. I guarantee you no one. So I don't think it holds ground that this is a circle jerk when I would be the only one sporting those kinds of ideas. I made this topic as a way of adding to the general thread and creating discussion over something. It's just meant for discussing, even if everyone was in agreement.

[Tentacruel]

This is about as relevant as GamerGate articles. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So not at all. 

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

It is General thread. There is no real priority thing here. For someone who wants this topic to die you sure gave it more posts than you deemed necessary in the first place.

 

Also anti-feminist circle jerk? REALLY? Who else here, other than me, is anti-feminist. I guarantee you no one. So I don't think it holds ground that this is a circle jerk when I would be the only one sporting those kinds of ideas. I made this topic as a way of adding to the general thread and creating discussion over something. It's just meant for discussing, even if everyone was in agreement.

 

The article is intended to be provocative and you, Smear, VCR_Cat, Enguin, Lazaruz, Zanda Panda, Deadpool117, and Icy all leapt at the chance to trash it and/or its author while completely ignoring the Cologne muggings and sexual attacks that it's responding to, attacks that are obviously far more objectionable than an out there proposal. This thread is just as much of a circle jerk as the article's comment section. 

 

Love to know where these numbers come from

Again, I'd like to know where that number is coming from.

 

Why? So you can tell us that the proportion of men on the web who watch porn their mothers wouldn't approve of is actually negligible? That there aren't people reading this comment who jack off to tentacle rape and loli?

 

This is, honestly, utter stupidity. Again, I'd like to know where that number is coming from. But, to elaborate: it's completely idiotic to say something like "Because you use X media, therefore you are like that." Crap, you guys, because I play some shooters that means I'm a murderer. Wait... if I play RPGs... does that make ME A WIZARD?! It's MORONIC to say something like that. We live in a world population 7.4 billion people total. If even like, only 40% of that was male, these generalizations would be utterly INSANE to make. Like, it's one thing to say "All rapists are men". That's some legitimate information that's worth exploring when looking for solutions.

 

Certain trends in media beg certain questions. Why do you and so many men your age have an appetite for "some shooters" in the first place? They depict acts that are totally f***ing vile and depraved with increasing visceral realism each year and millions of people like you find it great fun because there aren't any real-world consequences. There's no way you aren't being desensitized to real-world consequences, Rambo is used to train child soldiers. Why, for that matter, is your signature a GIF of a smiling Pac-Man spraying bullets? Do you find that amusing? I find it to be "honestly, utter stupidity."

[Dad]

Came here expecting a Gamergate reference.

 

 

This is about as relevant as GamerGate articles. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So not at all. 

 

 

Did not disappoint.  

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

 

Certain trends in media beg certain questions. Why do you and so many men your age have an appetite for "some shooters" in the first place? They depict acts that are totally f***ing vile and depraved with increasing visceral realism each year and millions of people like you find it great fun because there aren't any real-world consequences. There's no way you aren't being desensitized to real-world consequences, Rambo is used to train child soldiers. Why, for that matter, is your signature a GIF of a smiling Pac-Man spraying bullets? Do you find that amusing? I find it to be "honestly, utter stupidity."

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard you say and I'm kinda disappointed cause the first part of your post was pretty good.

I've played video games of various levels of violence since I was a kid, watched horror movies and action films where killing is constant.

And yet I'm utterly sickened by the thought of actually harming a person. To go so far as to literally turn the other cheek when getting punched in high school (where I was at my most unstable, emotionally). So no, I don't believe I'm being desensitized to real-world consequences.

[Shalltear Bloodfallen]

Certain trends in media beg certain questions. Why do you and so many men your age have an appetite for "some shooters" in the first place? They depict acts that are totally f***ing vile and depraved with increasing visceral realism each year and millions of people like you find it great fun because there aren't any real-world consequences. There's no way you aren't being desensitized to real-world consequences, Rambo is used to train child soldiers. Why, for that matter, is your signature a GIF of a smiling Pac-Man spraying bullets? Do you find that amusing? I find it to be "honestly, utter stupidity."

 

 

Seriously, if you're gonna troll for the sake of it, atleast make it a challenge to call you out on it.

Because what you just said has not even one leg to stand on, and I strongly suspect it's even copied cut and dry from somewhere else due to the coloring around it.

 

If you're gonna be disruptive, atleast be original about it

 

Regarding me supposedly ignoring the Cologne muggings, and the actuall incidents that lead to this sorry excuse of an "article", I will kindly ask you to stop putting words in my mouth, and leave it at that, because you have no idea if I'm ignoring them or not (here's a hint, I'm not). But that's not what's being discussed here, and if you cant see that then frankly I dont think you have any buisness in this thread

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

Seriously, if you're gonna troll for the sake of it, atleast make it a challenge to call you out on it.

Because what you just said has not even one leg to stand on, and I strongly suspect it's even copied cut and dry from somewhere else due to the coloring around it.

 

If you're gonna be disruptive, atleast be original about it

 

Regarding me supposedly ignoring the Cologne muggings, and the actuall incidents that lead to this sorry excuse of an "article", I will kindly ask you to stop putting words in my mouth, and leave it at that, because you have no idea if I'm ignoring them or not (here's a hint, I'm not). But that's not what's being discussed here, and if you cant see that then frankly I dont think you have any buisness in this thread

Right, you know about them, but are happily choosing not to speak about them...guess what ringo, that's called, now say it with me,

 

I.G.N.O.R.I.N.G T.H.E.M

 

Poloris isn't incorrect at all, and it's definetly not bait, prolong exposure to violent behavior does desensitize young adults

 

Systematic desensitization (a guided reduction in fear, anxiety or aversion) can then be achieved by gradually approaching the feared stimulus while maintaining relaxation. Desensitization works best when individuals are directly exposed to the stimuli and situations they fear so anxiety–evoking stimuli are paired with inhibitory responses.

 

Ie. Gunning down a man then gutting him like a fish in the comfort of your couch surrounded by friends

 

or

 

Hey who cares if a truckload of soldiers get blown up, we see that every day in our games, its how the world works right? Crab may have made an example outa VCR's sig, but his point was 100% correct

 

or

 

funking rag-heads wanna kill us, cue basically every recent movie, game, or media be about Islamic followers do x and kill y amount of people or something derogatory, what happens? We slowly accept that as reality be it true or not.

[Shalltear Bloodfallen]

Right, should've known calling out his hugbox would summon Winter. My misstake.

As for you, Winter, come back when you actually know how to hold a funking argument

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Right, should've known calling out his hugbox would summon Winter. My misstake.

As for you, Winter, come back when you actually know how to hold a f***ing argument

You basically just wiped some ad Hom out, and made no points what so ever. Congrats, you exceeded expectations

 

The fact remains that exposure to material, that in real life would be seen as sensitive, put in a comedic or stressfree avenue, desensitizes people to the calamities in real life.

 

I'm a feminist. I beleive men and women are created equal and should be treated equal, but making light of idiots like this denensitizes a real issue that our society suffers from. Was crabs poke at VRC needed? Nah, but it sure as hell was more valid than the trash post you just sheet out

[ihop]

I'm somewhat relieved that I'm not the only one who finds the idea of a game based around using assault weapons to blow peoples' brains out unnerving.

[Shalltear Bloodfallen]

I'm not unnerved by it because any sane human being is able to differentiate between a work of fiction, and real life. If you're seriously "confusing" the two, you're atleast tapping into underlying psychopathic tendencies that made you liable to snap at any given moment anyway, and regardless how much some (*cough cough cough cough*) want to believe otherwise, thats something you're BORN with, not taught

 

Besides, the gore isnt even overdone most of the time "because gore", but it's a tried and true mechanic to for the player to quickly confirm that you are indeed hurting them.

 

This whole f***ing debate around "Violent videogames creates killers" has been done to death, I'm sick and tired of hearing it because those who do think so have no f***ing proof for their claim, and most importantly that debate is not what this thread is about

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

OMG this is why I can't take you seriously Laz. It's one example of desensitization. Just like portraying these "feminists" as the gold standard for what the rest of the movement is about. Jeez, read between the damn lines

[ihop]

Well, what is funking proof and what is not funking proof is up to debate. You're right, though, that's not what this topic's about.

 

I really do agree with Polaris' post. I don't think anyone here thinks that curfews on men are a good idea but there definitely is a problem regarding that sort of thing because 1000 men attacking women next to a train station just isn't acceptable in any way and something about the male perception of women needs to change. It's all good bashing these militant feminists for spouting stupid sheet but at the end of the day just because you hold the generally accepted view doesn't mean that bashing people who think otherwise is any less of a circlejerk. Deadpool's "white elephant" probably holds some relevance too but that's also a different topic. 

 

This idea is stupid, sure, but just saying it's a load of sheet and calling it retarded and calling it an "issue that needs to be addressed" doesn't make you clever.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I'm somewhat relieved that I'm not the only one who finds the idea of a game based around using assault weapons to blow peoples' brains out unnerving.

Agreed, life is kinda sacred. It bothers me how popular things like GTA have become

[Shalltear Bloodfallen]

OMG this is why I can't take you seriously Laz. It's one example of desensitization. Just like portraying these "feminists" as the gold standard for what the rest of the movement is about. Jeez, read between the damn lines

 

No, it's not "just one example". It's not an example at all, and you're a funking idiot if you do think it is.

And holy hell did you just make a false comparison there to such a degree I dont think I should have to point out just how funking wrong you are. 

[ENMaker]

Agreed, life is kinda sacred. It bothers me how popular things like GTA have become

 

GTA is popular because firstly the games are excellently made, and secondly because going around fucking things up and killing people in the game is both fun and distinctly not real. It's not real, it's not actually happening, it doesn't paint what you're doing in a positive light, it doesn't encourage real world violence, if anything it serves as an outlet for frustration by letting you just go around killing things and blowing stuff up.

 

The key is that the lives you're affecting are those of digitally generated people with no back story, no dialogue, no characterisation, they're essentially walking mannequins that you can shoot. People can distinguish between reality and fantasy and enjoy what they're doing without going "Hmm, I should replicate this in reality because I'm seeing it in this game!". This is really far from what this topic is about but still.

[Aerion Brightflame]

I really do agree with Polaris' post. I don't think anyone here thinks that curfews on men are a good idea but there definitely is a problem regarding that sort of thing because 1000 men attacking women next to a train station just isn't acceptable in any way and something about the male perception of women needs to change. It's all good bashing these militant feminists for spouting stupid s*** but at the end of the day just because you hold the generally accepted view doesn't mean that bashing people who think otherwise is any less of a circlejerk. Deadpool's "white elephant" probably holds some relevance too but that's also a different topic. 

 

This idea is stupid, sure, but just saying it's a load of s*** and calling it retarded and calling it an "issue that needs to be addressed" doesn't make you clever.

 

The attacks were by primarily migrants recent to Germany. I know this is the 'white elephant', but it's incredibly relevent because it undermines the entire argument made there. 

 

Migrants from nations with different societal values to ours, who came over in such numbers that didn't need to integrate to Western values. Especially when Women's roles and behavoir in Western societies is so contradictory to what they are used to. Add in copious amounts of Booze and a large group of people and you get an awful event like this. 

 

But it doesn't speak to how society views women, because it's a different society in effect responsible for the attack. Just as you said, the accepted view doesn't always mean that you should ignore conflicting viewpoints, in this case it means you shouldn't use the acts commuted by one societal group to judge men from all societal groups. 

 

Like, that whole event doesn't speak about how men should view women, but speaks as to how we should ensure that when you move a million people into your country at once, you should make some kind of effort to instill western values and allow them to integrate properly. 

 

The argument made in the article has no standing, because it's drawing entirely false conclusions from the event by skipping over massive details. That's ignoring the fact that it is the insane kind of sexism that's giving feminism, one of the most beautiful social movements in history, a bad name. 

[Smear]

The article is intended to be provocative and you, Smear, VCR_Cat, Enguin, Lazaruz, Zanda Panda, Deadpool117, and Icy all leapt at the chance to trash it and/or its author while completely ignoring the Cologne muggings and sexual attacks that it's responding to, attacks that are obviously far more objectionable than an out there proposal. This thread is just as much of a circle jerk as the article's comment section.

I didn't trash the article because I'm an Anti-Feminist, I trashed the article because it's completely funking stupid. I definitely know some men do horrible things. The same goes for some women. I'm not saying men don't do awful things, I'm saying that it's particular humans that do horrible things and not an entire funking gender. Why the hell should anyone have a curfew because some people are horrible? There have been cops who do awful things so what, do we just get rid of the entire police force? No. Because that's funking stupid. I'm 100% for equality, not liberalism bullshit that just follows the "all men are misogynists" hive mindset.