[MtG] [OGW] Spoilers batch leaked

[Rodrigo]

https://www.instagram.com/gameworldtv/

 

No translations yet. Biggest surprise? Geist of Saint Traft in the Duel Decks. <3

[.Rai]

I was right about there being no extra 5 tangolands.

 

RW manland is 2/1 double strike for 2RW.

Ruins of Sea Gate is 2<>, T: Draw a card if you have no cards in hand.

Russian land is

 

T: add <>

T, pay 1 life: add one mana of any color to your mana pool. Use this mana only to cast spells with devoid.

 

The Innistrad demon is:

 

Mindbreak Demon 2BB

Creature - Demon

Flying, Trample

When Mindbreaker Demon enters the battlefield, put the top 4 cards of your library into your graveyard.

At the beginning of your upkeep, if you don't have 4 or more card types in your graveyard, lose 4 life.

[4/5]

 

Sad that spoiler season is now totally anti-climactic though. I'll post some more thoughts later.

[Forest Fire]

world breaker looks sweeet. effect is pretty rad too.

[.Rai]

world breaker looks sweeet. effect is pretty rad too.

I especially like that the Expedition Hallowed Fountain is in the background.

[Forest Fire]

I especially like that the Expedition Hallowed Fountain is in the background.

that is a pretty cool detail, yeah

[Flame Dragon]

Holy hell where are all these coming from? Like, I haven't seen a set leak this badly since NPH. Wizard's REALLY needs to look at whats going on.

 

Anyway, working from the bottom of that.

 

Kor Haven is a cool land and is very flavorful for the set.

Tech Edge is going to SUCK to open.

Orchard we knew about

O look, Wasteland

Mana Confluence is going to suck to open

Eye of Ugin makes a ton of sense to include

Strip Mine also makes sense

Horizon Canopy is a great choice

Ancient Tomb we also knew about

Dust Bowl is a great include for flavor reasons

Filter lands, wwwweeeeeeeeeee 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9

 

So, this leave the GU filter land.

 

Ruins of Sea Gate is like a reverse Library. Interesting.

Holdout Settlement is like a land version of Springleaf Drum. Neat.

Unknown Shores is a good reprint.

Crumbling Vestige seems pretty strong.

A gold devoid lands feels......weird.

I really want to know what the uncommon cycle does. It looks like they just ETB tapped, but that feels lame.

The RW creature land seems weak :/

Sphinx is ok. Feels like he was made for control mirrors, but seems really weak.

Crush of Tentacles, one of the only cards from the set to have been spoiled when intended.

Love new Chandra. Card draw and a wrath in one. Plus she can even send in the beats.

Not sure what to make of Nissa. Like, her +1 is weak and her -2 has been done before. Her ultimate seems solid, but it takes too long.

Kalitas seems solid in commander. Stops all those sacrifice shenanigans. Don't think he is good enough for constructed though.

Geist is unexpected, but a welcome reprint. Sad I wasn't able to move my copies before this inevitable price crash from this reprinting.

Mindbreak Demon is

Kozilek's Return seems fine. Not a mythic though, even though what it shows is.

World Breaker is cool, but I feel like in most formats you can get that effect on better cards. The recursion is nice though.

Ayli is still sweet.

 

So, that makes every mythic. 2 Walkers, Kozilek, the Demon and Sphinx, Kalitas, Crush, the two Eldrazi, and the land.

 

Edit: Its been pointed out that the demon is FROM Innistrad (which makes sense).

[Sixty]

opening strip mine/wasteland will be infinite dollars

[Flame Dragon]

opening strip mine/wasteland will be infinite dollars

Not really actually. If you look at the average price its only like $6.

 

If you actually price out normal versions they are over all pretty cheap

Ancient Tomb: 13

Forbidden Orchard: 7

Dust Bowl: 8

Tectonic Edge: 2

Strip Mine: 6

Mana Confluence: 5

Eye of Ugin: 5

Kor Haven: 7

Horizon Canopy: 59

Wasteland: 66

 

The filter lands are mostly all money though

Mystic Gate: 16

Sunken Ruins: 15

Fire-Lit Thicket: 12

Wooded Bastion: 12

Graven Cairns: 7

Twilight Mire: 34

Fetid Heath: 22

Cascade Bluffs: 22

Flooded Grove: 22

Rugged Prairie: 13

 

tl;dr: You want to open an enemy filter, wasteland, or horizon canopy. Pray your not the poor soul that opens Tech Edge.

[Rodrigo]

But the expedition versions of the lands are definitely going to hit 40 to 50 dollars at least, no matter which card it is. Especially because the cheapest one of them, Tectonic Edge, sees good play in Modern so the pimp my deck players will definitely want it.

[Flame Dragon]

O yea, no matter which one you open your going to be getting like $45 worth. The banjo lands range from like $43-55 so I imagine most of these will end up in the shock range of $65-$80. The enemy filter will likely end up in low 3 digits and wasteland and horizon canopy will likely be high 3 digits.

 

 

Ok, I really want to complain about this.

 

Assuming I counted correctly, we are NOT getting the enemy half of this cycle. Which REALLY tilts me. The cycle is bad and is the SIXTH time we've gotten normal ETB tapped ally duel lands. The Refuges, Khans Gain 1, Gates, Snow, and normal ETB Tapped being the other 5. Two of those are even common. The enemy ones however only have TWO such cycles. It would have been so much better for this to have been the second half of the Refuge cycle.

 

O, also, this will push ally play more than enemy and we JUST had that in Dragons.

 

 

Also, looking over the mythics, looks like the last one will be white.

[heraldry_lord]

I think Kozilek's Return and Chandra will see Standard play.  Maybe Kalitas and the Sphinx too.

 

Kozilek's Return seems decent for R/G Tron too, especially since it's searchable, unlike the original Pyroclasm.

[Flame Dragon]

Return has a decent shot at seeing play. Being instant speed is pretty big. Not 100% on Modern though. Depends on how much of a difference the extra mana is vs. being able to search for it.

 

Chandra seems good. Makes tokens to bash in, clears the board, and can draw you more gas. Her one weakness is that she isn't SUPER good at protecting herself. Still, if a more midrange Red deck pops up she'll be great there.

 

Kalitas is going to be VERY good when Innistrad comes out. Screwing with death triggers and what not is likely to be huge then. For now I just don't think he can compete.

 

The Sphinx looks REALY bad imo. Like, it has most of the same weakness as Ojutai, doesn't have the dragon synergies, and is a full 2 mana more. MAYBE when Ojutai leaves standard, but that will be the bulk of the cards life and nonzero chance something better comes out in the 2 sets after anyway.

[heraldry_lord]

Return has a decent shot at seeing play. Being instant speed is pretty big. Not 100% on Modern though. Depends on how much of a difference the extra mana is vs. being able to search for it.

 

Chandra seems good. Makes tokens to bash in, clears the board, and can draw you more gas. Her one weakness is that she isn't SUPER good at protecting herself. Still, if a more midrange Red deck pops up she'll be great there.

 

Kalitas is going to be VERY good when Innistrad comes out. Screwing with death triggers and what not is likely to be huge then. For now I just don't think he can compete.

 

The Sphinx looks REALY bad imo. Like, it has most of the same weakness as Ojutai, doesn't have the dragon synergies, and is a full 2 mana more. MAYBE when Ojutai leaves standard, but that will be the bulk of the cards life and nonzero chance something better comes out in the 2 sets after anyway.

 

The sphinx still has hexproof even when he's turned sideways, and he doesn't die to stuff like Languish, which is kinda important in my view.  Ojutai's main advantage over him, apart from being cheaper, is that he gets you a card every turn to keep you afloat.

 

I do understand that the sphinx is very passive for a would-be control finisher, but I'm not ready to write him off yet.

[Flame Dragon]

The sphinx still has hexproof even when he's turned sideways, and he doesn't die to stuff like Languish, which is kinda important in my view.  Ojutai's main advantage over him, apart from being cheaper, is that he gets you a card every turn to keep you afloat.

 

I do understand that the sphinx is very passive for a would-be control finisher, but I'm not ready to write him off yet.

Heres the thing though, When your turning him sideways your going to have mana up to be able to protect him. So something like Languish is extra bad since that means it already got a hit in and your already up a card anyway. Between that, the counter, the edict, and being able to get him back with a land, I just don't think the sphinx brings enough to compete with him.

 

Edit: Ignore the bit on Languish. I derpped.

[heraldry_lord]

Heres the thing though, When your turning him sideways your going to have mana up to be able to protect him. So something like Languish is extra bad since that means it already got a hit in and your already up a card anyway. Between that, the counter, the edict, and being able to get him back with a land, I just don't think the sphinx brings enough to compete with him.

 

Hmm, I see what you mean.  I have no issue with that, since I happen to like Ojutai.

[bury the year]

My thoughts are late but I've been busy studying for finals, so what have you. Mostly evaluating from an EDH perspective.

 

Kor Haven is the expedition that I want the most. Holy crap is that art beautiful. Fire-Lit Thicket would be nice, too. As for the other expeditions, I honestly didn't expect Wasteland or Horizon Canopy. Those will be the chasers for OGW, which may devalue the other 8 by a degree. I don't think the other ones save for Twilight Mire or Ancient Tomb see much eternal play, anyways.

 

Ruins of Sea Gate seems pretty good, but it's limited by the number of colorless sources you run, which in many decks isn't many. Last time I checked, Daxos only has two (although I'm probably going to be running more utility lands after the results of previous games). If you can't empty your hand fast enough, it's not going to be good either way.

 

I actually really like Holdout Settlement. Springleaf Drum's a solid mana rock, and you'll usually have instances in which you don't want your little utility guy either attacking or blocking.

 

Pyroclasm-esque effects aren't worth it too often in EDH, so I doubt Kozilek's Return will be either, even with the extra trigger.

 

Sphinx of the Final Word says "funk your interaction." It's a neat card, but definitely feels "win more" as Flame Dragon sorta mentioned.

 

World Breaker is sexy, and definitely something I want to run. The cast trigger may not be optimal in Mayael, but being able to recur itself and getting exile removal are two traits that are rare in green.

 

New Nissa is bleh, at least for EDH. I liked her more initially, but after thinking some more she's not going to cut it much outside of Standard. None of her abilities really help to advance your boardstate. Sorta funny how much of an homage she is to Avenger of Zendikar, though.

 

Chandra's neat, and probably the most playable variant we've had since Pyromaster. She seems to be a control finisher à la Elspeth, Sun's Champion. The plus puts immediate damage on the board, her zero refills your hand, and the minus wipes if you need it to.

 

Kalitas could be neat for heading a mono-black control build, although there are certainly better options out there. Throw in a bunch of stax and Grave Pact-esque effects and just keep your opponents off of stabilizing ever. He's also only the third commander with built-in grave hate, others being Pharika and Anafenza.

 

Nothing else worth mentioning. The uncommon duals are disappointing, Crumbling Vestige is limited fodder and Needle Spires seems heavily overcosted.

 

(Last thoughts: could we see the enemy battlelands printed in SOI? It wouldn't be the first time Innistrad's done the enemy counterparts to a popular land cycle, and the fetches would've rotated by then.)

[Tesability Black]

Um, guys. WotC has made an official statement about the recent leaks...

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/why-leaks-hurt-2015-12-16

[Flame Dragon]

Ruins of Sea Gate seems pretty good, but it's limited by the number of colorless sources you run, which in many decks isn't many. Last time I checked, Daxos only has two (although I'm probably going to be running more utility lands after the results of previous games). If you can't empty your hand fast enough, it's not going to be good either way.

 

World Breaker is sexy, and definitely something I want to run. The cast trigger may not be optimal in Mayael, but being able to recur itself and getting exile removal are two traits that are rare in green.

 

New Nissa is bleh, at least for EDH. I liked her more initially, but after thinking some more she's not going to cut it much outside of Standard. None of her abilities really help to advance your boardstate. Sorta funny how much of an homage she is to Avenger of Zendikar, though.

 

(Last thoughts: could we see the enemy battlelands printed in SOI? It wouldn't be the first time Innistrad's done the enemy counterparts to a popular land cycle, and the fetches would've rotated by then.)

 

Yea, I feel like adding C costing cards into even 2 color decks is going to be hard. Normally when you had a color you get a ton of duel lands to help, but that just isn't the case with them. At least my mono Green will be able to put them to good use.

 

I'm not a fan of World Breaker in EDH. I'd rather have Terastodon, Bane of Progress, or even Acidic Slime.

 

New Nissa seems ok in a token based deck. My Naya is all about the tokens so having something that can poop out some and grow my team seems good. Plus Naya isn't the BEST at drawing cards and she can help there too.

 

See, the problem with that is Innistrad has ally based tribes. Sure we had it originally too, but it wasn't the ideal situation.

 

Um, guys. WotC has made an official statement about the recent leaks...

 

http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/why-leaks-hurt-2015-12-16

That is a lot of anger. Though I get why. Leaks for any game just aren't good. Honestly, I'm just curious where these have been coming from.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

I agree with trick. Not only do they ruin all the plans WOTC made, it really killed spoiler season for me. If, like, wastes had been leaked on its own, that would be cool. That would have worked in everyone's favor. But this? A ton of fun and hard work thrown out the window, for no actual benefit.

 

I am really glad that so many of the leaks were expeditions, as I can't wait to see the rest of the set properly unveiled.

[.Rai]

Admittedly, I'm not a fan of the article, just because Trick's style of writing is odd and emphatic, and the usage of comparisons was a bit forced. I do agree with his overall sentiment though.

 

Oh, and I agree with Rinne that I think enemy tangos will come in Innistrad.

[Flame Dragon]

I agree with trick. Not only do they ruin all the plans WOTC made, it really killed spoiler season for me. If, like, wastes had been leaked on its own, that would be cool. That would have worked in everyone's favor. But this? A ton of fun and hard work thrown out the window, for no actual benefit.

 

I am really glad that so many of the leaks were expeditions, as I can't wait to see the rest of the set properly unveiled.

 

The problem is that all but 1 mythic was spoiled. When the mythics are often the most hyped cards that still really sucks.

[Poc]

Yea, leaks suck =/ I like my spoiler seasons.

 

 

Kalitas is actually a pretty good hate card for Aristocrat style decks. He might possibly see some modern play too if the Chord decks keep pushing there way into the meta.

The new Nissa is pretty good. Just playing her and -2 right away is good value, especially for decks that go wide. I'm really not a fan of the new Chandra, Its a good curve topper in a red deck and the 0 is actually really good for red decks, I just feel 6 mana is out of range of most red decks. If Mardu midrange keeps putting up results she might find a home though.

[Flame Dragon]

Kalitas is actually a pretty good hate card for Aristocrat style decks. He might possibly see some modern play too if the Chord decks keep pushing there way into the meta.

The new Nissa is pretty good. Just playing her and -2 right away is good value, especially for decks that go wide. I'm really not a fan of the new Chandra, Its a good curve topper in a red deck and the 0 is actually really good for red decks, I just feel 6 mana is out of range of most red decks. If Mardu midrange keeps putting up results she might find a home though.

I feel like if Modern wants a creature to keep down graveyard decks Anafenza might get the edge. Harder to card, but being able to hit her with CoCo and getting any creature is pretty big.

 

Agree new Chandra needs some kind of Midrange deck to be good. If one does show up though she is likely to be really good.