GarlandChaos Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I can't be the only person to think that the situation this card creates is confusing as all hell. I mean, face-down Attack Position monsters? Nothing else in the game does that. Could we get a clarifying errata for this, Konami? Discuss this really weird card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I can't be the only person to think that the situation this card creates is confusing as all hell. I mean, face-down Attack Position monsters? Nothing else in the game does that. Could we get a clarifying errata for this, Konami? Discuss this really weird card.OCG ruled it so that it would infact be face down attack position. We need clarification on how that situation would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted December 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 OCG ruled it so that it would infact be face down attack position. We need clarification on how that situation would work.Yes, that's what I'm saying. We need to know how that would work, otherwise, going -3 for a confusing situation is super terribad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Yes, that's what I'm saying. We need to know how that would work, otherwise, going -3 for a confusing situation is super terribad.I assume it flips when you declare an attack, and your monster can die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted December 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I assume it flips when you declare an attack, and your monster can dieBut whose monster would be attacking in this situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 But whose monster would be attacking in this situation?I mean, say I have BEWD in face up attack, and you swing with Dark Magican, it flips into face up attack position, you take 500 damage, and your DM is dead. If you manually flip it, then it should go to defense mode as manual flips change position Card is trash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catman25 Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I think I read a manual flip just flips it into Attack, and that you can shift from Attack to Defense still? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I honestly find it annoying when they introduce some strange mechanic like this does (face-down Attack Position) and then completely abandon it. It is especially annoying in the case of this card as it means they can't just shorten "face-down Defense Position" to "face-down". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I forget which GBA game did this, but if you attached a monster that was Set by This card, they would switch to Face-up Defense Position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted December 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 I forget which GBA game did this, but if you attached a monster that was Set by This card, they would switch to Face-up Defense Position.That sounds like Stairway to the Destined Duel. Mind checking real quick, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 That sounds like Stairway to the Destined Duel. Mind checking real quick, anyone?Problem is... It's likely the game treating any Face-down monster as face-down defense, so it changes it to face-up defense upon being attacked. ..... Dunno' how that translates to the real world, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Face Down attack would be a really cool mechanic to investigate tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanashimi Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Face Down attack would be a really cool mechanic to investigate tho. Why i'm thinking of an archetype like Artifact, but it's S/T that can be set to your Monster Zone in face-down AP/DP? @@ face-down AP treated as "no properties" monster then? (like how set monster works) but flipped when battles? uh oh . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Here's my understanding of how it works. The monster is facedown in ATK position. If it is attacked, it flips up during Damage Calculation, same as if you attacked a facedown DEF. Apply the ATK value of the flipped monster (because it's in ATK position) and calculate damage normally. You can manually change it to facedown DEF or faceup ATK, but evidently NOT faceup DEF. Presumably because the action of performing a Flip Summon explicitly is to flip a facedown monster to faceup ATK, and the action of simply changing the Battle Position of an ATK position monster is just turning the card horizontally, regardless of whether it's faceup/facedown. If you attack with that monster, I'm pretty sure it flips up on attack declaration. ...it's fortunately so terrible a card that a ruling on the full mechanics is probably not needed ever, other than to figure out how the hell it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 I mean, the card doesn't actually do anything outside of create these awkward situations so one must question who had their head so far up their anus in Konami R&D when this ungodly monstrosity was designed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Probably the same person who designed Curse of Fiend, a Normal Spell that can only be activated during the Standby Phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dova Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 I remember seeing an Archetype based around face-down ATK position around here. I might make one myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 I remember seeing an Archetype based around face-down ATK position around here. I might make one myself.http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/313942-face-down-attack-position-and-defense-burstail/ ? Probably not, but considering the title... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Probably the same person who designed Curse of Fiend, a Normal Spell that can only be activated during the Standby Phase.Wait...so you can't activate it outside of Diamond Dude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Wait...so you can't activate it outside of Diamond Dude?No, you can since it it specifies that specific period, and thus would be treated as a Spell Speed 2 effect on a Spell Speed 1 activation condition (aka you can't chain it to anything in the standby phase, but you can still activate it then. Kinda a Spell Speed 1.5 if you will) It's just stupid because a whole lot of confusion would be solved by simply making the card a quick play, especially since all it does is change some battle positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaoticjexak Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 one word: fableds. a minus 3 becomes a +2, and if you use a fbled that has an effect when it is summoned or flipped face up (like peggulsus) -another plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 one word: fableds. a minus 3 becomes a +2, and if you use a fbled that has an effect when it is summoned or flipped face up (like peggulsus) -another plus. Don't go there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 Probably the same person who designed Curse of Fiend, a Normal Spell that can only be activated during the Standby Phase.I might be wrong with this, but wasnt Curse of Fiend one of those cards that was before the time Quick-Play Spells were out in Japan? Was probably one of the cards that didn't translate well into English due to the crappy lores on cards back then as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 15, 2015 Report Share Posted December 15, 2015 before the time Quick-Play Spells were out Yes, didn't know anyone really played back then :O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaoticjexak Posted December 16, 2015 Report Share Posted December 16, 2015 Don't go therewhy? peggulsus is bae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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