Tinkerer Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Change all non-Wyrm-Type Attack Position monsters that were Special Summoned from the Main or Extra Deck to Defense Position. All non-Wyrm-Type monsters that were Special Summoned from the Main or Extra Deck lose DEF equal to their original DEF. So, yeah. I mean, this card is one that kinda seems like it could get real nutty (Denko Sekka nutty maybe?) at some point. Really what's holding it back is its type which still has to bloom and get some more decent support. It being a DARK, level 4 with 0 DEF already gives it quite a few niches to work with, and its effect can (if not stop your opponent fully/help get rid of a troublesome card) prevents your opponent from retaliating unless they vomit their hand onto the board which could be punished in other ways. Anyway, I was curious on others' thoughts on this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 Unmasked dragon fetches this from the Deck to stop the opponent's turn dead. ASLong with it searching other silly Anit-Meta Wyrms.Card is pretty nutty, but they can easily use a card effect to remove it. If you get this and Denko on the field, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 One of the most common side cards in OCG, doesn't activate, so Notice can't do jack s*** to it. It was a godly out to the combination between Shock, Law, and CDI in heroes Royally fucks Pepe, can gets over Dante's sorry ass, Dark Destroyer is a little more manageable I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 I bought 197 of these for $0.20 or less over the last month. This is a Denko Sekka level side-deck card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 I bought 197 of these for $0.20 or less over the last month. This is a Denko Sekka level side-deck card.How many outlets did you need to raid to get 197? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 How many outlets did you need to raid to get 197? Like five, if you count TCGPlayer purchases as only 1. I cleaned out the cheapest ones on TCGPlayer, then Ideal, BBToy and a couple local vendors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 3, 2015 Report Share Posted December 3, 2015 I bought 197 of these for $0.20 or less over the last month. This is a Denko Sekka level side-deck card.Shame Sekka is gonna become sheet really fast once Horn of Heaven picks up :/ Really wanted a BA set 4 beatrice out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Shame Sekka is gonna become s*** really fast once Horn of Heaven picks up :/ Really wanted a BA set 4 beatrice out Even with Rhino BA won't be relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Even with Rhino BA won't be relevant.Rihno makes up for the loss of 2 Graff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armoire Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Probably meant to combo with Lindbloom: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted December 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Probably meant to combo with Lindbloom: I love Lindbloom to death, but it and Dragolich don't work so well together (any normal summonable monster with >0 DEF can run over 'lich) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Rihno makes up for the loss of 2 Graff It really doesn't. BA is at a ridiculous power level in the OCG right now and still barely able to compete, Kozmo puts the nail in their coffin because of their new outs to F0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 It really doesn't. BA is at a ridiculous power level in the OCG right now and still barely able to compete, Kozmo puts the nail in their coffin because of their new outs to F0.The OCG point is unrelated really since the context is TCG. Winter is correct, Rhino bumping the copies of Cir and Graff up to 5 and 4 respectively does indeed solve the deck's issues post banlist (not the ability to make Dante, that's unhindered, but being able to make Dantes that float, milling Cir Graff off a Dante made with vanillas) Kozmojo is interesting now that you mention it. It can banish detached BA so they don't get off their effect but you have to choose between that and Dante (Dante is most likely the better card to hit). It's only relevant if you are floating a Dark Destroyer.I say this because that's the only realistic scenario where you are forced to F0 and get dunked on, otherwise if there is a forerunner on board-Make alicard, Kozmojo is baited and Forerunner is solved anywayIf Destroyer-Make alucard, pop Kozmojo and SS Forerunner HOWEVER you have the choice between hitting the detached BA or Alucard, hitting Alucard means the opponent can still play ygo and try again next turn. If the BA is hit, Alucard goes towards F0. Kozmojo on its own isn't solving double Dante boards either so it's not as cut and dry as you make it seem. Don't oversimplify matchups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinkerer Posted December 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 lots o' stuff Err... So, uh... Night Dragolich? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultravires Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 The OCG point is unrelated really since the context is TCG. Winter is correct, Rhino bumping the copies of Cir and Graff up to 5 and 4 respectively does indeed solve the deck's issues post banlist (not the ability to make Dante, that's unhindered, but being able to make Dantes that float, milling Cir Graff off a Dante made with vanillas) Kozmojo is interesting now that you mention it. It can banish detached BA so they don't get off their effect but you have to choose between that and Dante (Dante is most likely the better card to hit). It's only relevant if you are floating a Dark Destroyer.I say this because that's the only realistic scenario where you are forced to F0 and get dunked on, otherwise if there is a forerunner on board-Make alicard, Kozmojo is baited and Forerunner is solved anywayIf Destroyer-Make alucard, pop Kozmojo and SS Forerunner HOWEVER you have the choice between hitting the detached BA or Alucard, hitting Alucard means the opponent can still play ygo and try again next turn. If the BA is hit, Alucard goes towards F0. Kozmojo on its own isn't solving double Dante boards either so it's not as cut and dry as you make it seem. Don't oversimplify matchups. >point is unrelated>deck is infinitely better than it will be here>other decks will be at a very slightly lower power level here Okay then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 >point is unrelated>deck is infinitely better than it will be here>other decks will be at a very slightly lower power level here Okay then.The point I'm trying to make is that KoA (and likely soon KoJ) has been impotent at hitting BA. The right hits were not Graff or Cir, or even TGU. All of those can happily stay at 3. Limit Dante and make "BA" as a deck a r3nk toolbox at best, likely more of a splash engine than anything tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 well...KoA have really no reason to hit BA more, which is his point I think. Deck's still solid but the environment's really hostile for it at the moment. Also I swear this is getting way out of topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 well...KoA have really no reason to hit BA more, which is his point I think. Deck's still solid but the environment's really hostile for it at the moment.My point being, Rhino makes up for the loss of Cir and Graff, and Beatrice is on her way soon anyway. As much as I hate citing it, BA in OCG+TCG seems pretty damn good. And is a solid counter for PEPE. I can see BA with the Tele Engine potentially making Pepe's day harder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Clearly the OP got the thread title wrong and this is actually a BA topic. But while I'm here, Night Dragolich seems like it's just short of being amazing. If it negated the effects of stuff it'd be broken, but without that their Xyz being turned to DEF doesn't matter much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 >point is unrelated>deck is infinitely better than it will be here>other decks will be at a very slightly lower power level here Okay then.Or you can actually talk theory instead of making blanket statements. i would appreciate a more thoughtful response next time.Err... So, uh... Night Dragolich?have you seen the rest of the topics? Most deviate from the title. Either way my intention was not to derail, but to clarify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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