The House of Parliment authorises British Airstrikes in Syria

[Aerion Brightflame]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34989302

 

Title sums it up; Controversial Topic, controversial result, arguably more controversial debate. 

 

Neither Cameron or Corbyn look pretty good coming out of this, but I would argue Labour look significantly better than the Tories do despite it being a split party. 

 

Discuss the debate, and what you think of the result of the vote; 

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Can you give me a 2 minute run down on the parties?

[Dad]

Just to add a tiny bit of information to this post.  The UK was already involved with military action in Iraq, and are now joining the US, France, Russia, and others in the fight in Syria.

[Resident Fascist]

Personally I think this is excellent news. I'm not a violent person by any means, I think diplomacy is the best thing to happen since bacon and sliced bread, but we aren't really fighting a force that can be reasoned with. IS are a bunch of irrational barbarians with absolute nonsense goals that make zero sense in any sort of grounded reality. Merely telling them to stop raping, taking hostages and attacking major world cities won't make them do anything.

 

The Syrian Civil war needs to be ended in Vienna, I agree. But an end to the Syrian Civil war will not end the sprees of IS and the al-Nursa front. The time has long passed for diplomatic talking with these groups, the fact they exist means we can never truly have peace in the region until it's sorted. Action is the only real solution for a force like them. Unfortunately, our mere interference gives the potential for the rise of more radical Islamic groups, while it's absolutely backwards to imply we would be oppressing their faith by performing air strikes against them, they're radicals who completely ignore the idea of human decency and live life to harm others because a book tells them they get to funk a bunch of virgins when they die because a sky fairy would be pleased with them, in their mind.

 

The problem's not with the religion itself, that's a whole other can of worms, but Corbyn seems to think ignoring these terrorist groups will do anything but jepodize the lives of more innocents.

[Aerion Brightflame]

Corbyn is still right about a lot of stuff though; Like Cameron's claims of 70,000 moderates willing to rise up and help once airstrikes begin. That's a) bollocks because there are already airstrikes happening and they haven't already risen up, and b) these moderate groups are against the Assad regieme, and are fighting each other. They aren't uniting to fight IS. 

 

Plus there is the argument it's just radicalising more people; Because we are terrorising them. We are basically causing Paris level attacks to occur in and around there country every day. We united against IS when they bombed Paris; It's not shocking to think something similar will happen there, albeit on a smaller scale. 

 

Like sure, diplomacy might not be the solution, but there are more things to consider. It's not like it's 'Oh well diplomacy hasn't worked, we have one choice - Bomb them to hell and back' We can still contribute and help without getting ourselves involved in the Middle East. Again. 

[Resident Fascist]

I was under the assumption we are only performing airstrikes on confirmed IS targets. I don't think we can just ignore the radical groups because there may be moderate groups fighting for a more democratic government in Syria. 

[ihop]

Trying to avoid innocent people being killed and people being radicalised by killing innocent people and causing people to be radicalised seems like a poor choice to me.