Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Normal Spell CardEach player discards their entire hand, then draws the same number of cards they discarded. So one of the few cards keeping OCG Infernoids relevant, along with Monster Gate and Reasoning. This card was banned in the TCG at a time when Dark Worlds and Rulers considered it pretty much a win condition. Nowadays there are no Dark Worlds, Rulers (RIP), Shaddolls (RIP) or BA to be seen on the radar. It has been a couple of years if memory serves me right since this card was banned, so I'll ask this:Do you think this card would still wreak havoc if it came back to 1 in TCG?Even if it didn't end up being competitively relevant, would you still argue this shouldn't come back? It getting an errata is out of the question. The cards that have had erratas to get unbanned seem to be cards that were otherwise non-unbannable in both OCG and TCG formats, and this card exists in TCG just like Stratos, we can probably assume it'd be a no no. This card caught my interesting recently because of the incredible two card analogy to Dweller Raigeki in OCG. Dark Law Card Destruction is such a nasty play....(and one of the few power plays shaddolls have outside of Monk-Chain or DMoC-power Spell) anyway thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 tbh i don't think it should be back in TCG As I've explained before, unless the threat is Dark World, it's worth maining at least. BA/Shaddoll have good effects, but not AS good as an opponent discarded Dark World. Infernoid maaay have the same level of impact as DW in that regard, but they're potentially getting creeped down the list some. It speeds the decks that can use it into winning, and that's often enough to risk the opponent resolving effects at inopportune times (BA not named Gradd/mid-late game Cir, Shaddolls). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 tbh i don't think it should be back in TCG As I've explained before, unless the threat is Dark World, it's worth maining at least. BA/Shaddoll have good effects, but not AS good as an opponent discarded Dark World. Infernoid maaay have the same level of impact as DW in that regard, but they're potentially getting creeped down the list some. It speeds the decks that can use it into winning, and that's often enough to risk the opponent resolving effects at inopportune times (BA not named Gradd/mid-late game Cir, Shaddolls).Kinda have to agree. But not for that reason. I honestly think Law-Destruction is such a powerful combination that it might even warrant banning on the other side. Only reason it hasn't shown yet is due to Pepe being such a potent deck that BA can't afford to let them get any draws. In TCG if you look at the impact of card des, Law Des would eradicate basically every deck out there atm. I disagree with the logic on BA or more so shaddolls. Getting a draw off beast or a mill or a search or a float is rarely a bad option. Card Des is only good when your deck has something greatly advantageous to gain over the opponent, such as Rulers with Rejuv. In a deck like infernoid, it's already difficult to OTK, giving your opponent a +2/3 in the process isn't smart unless you vitally need some combo piece. Then again all this theory-oh goes out the damn window cause OCG BA have never once run this card and topped in my recollection. Last time I saw it was during Chaos Dolls/DMD Ruler format Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 The card is by befault a -1, of course that is only if your deck doesnt benefit in any way from discarding (wich is not likely to happen if you run it in first place)That being said, the card is still too powerfull to comeback (for now). Something to mention, the current top decks dont benefit that much from this card so if it comes back it should be interesting to see what happens, Konami can still release it as an experiment but i think i will have a similar impact to the game than snatch steal to the point it could be banned again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 The card is by befault a -1, of course that is only if your deck doesnt benefit in any way from discarding (wich is not likely to happen if you run it in first place)That being said, the card is still too powerfull to comeback (for now). Something to mention, the current top decks dont benefit that much from this card so if it comes back it should be interesting to see what happens, Konami can still release it as an experiment but i think i will have a similar impact to the game than snatch steal to the point it could be banned again Realistically though, it's just about as minus as discarding the excess cards you drew with Super Rejuv. Which is practically none at all. This card is in a weird little limbo area. It's not really broken, but at the same time it has some really stupid mechanics associated with it. It's one of those staple cards that every deck can run though, and most of the time you are required to run in order to keep up with some decks. If anything, I think Morphing Jar should come back to 1 before this thing simply for the fact that it's slower. I think the wors part of this card is if your opponent invests a sheet load of advantage into a play, then you drop this with 4-5 cards in hand to their 0, you just went like +3 comparatively to your opponent depending on what you discarded, and then you get a free hand. Not only that, but you can just Set S/T you need before playing this, allowing you to screw over your opponent if they had a normal spell they need but didn't have the "insight" to set in case you had Destruction. TL:DR there are too many situations where this card can really become stupid in which your opponent has a real hard time reacting to. It's not broken in theory, but it practice it's a tad too easy IMO to make it a bit unfair. I think should stay banned until the format becomes slower and less cancerous (if it ever does that is), at which point experimenting with it at 1 may not be a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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