Constellar Pleiades

[Aman Indra]

Constellar Pleiades

LIGHT/Warrior/Xyz/Effect

Rank 5

2500 ATK / 1500 DEF

2 Level 5 LIGHT monsters
Once per turn, during either player's turn: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card, then target 1 card on the field; return that target to the hand.

 

 

So, the best Rank 5 in the game ? Arguably this saves my ass so many times and is pretty damn responsive. CDI isnt in TCG yet but this guy is also a good summon on ptole since this is also a board pressure monster, assuming this still isn't played much and i doubt ptole will be around in the tcg scene when CDI arrives this card will go down more.

 

So, what do you guys think of this rank 5 beauty ? i kinda wish he was a generic but that would have been to good i guess or not ? since not many rank 5 decks exist out there.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

You mean it's one of the best rank 4's in the game >_>

[Aman Indra]

You mean it's one of the best rank 4's in the game >_>

yeah, about time we recieved a rank 5 spam deck but only having volcasaurus and pleiades in the arsenal will be a bit weak i guess ? assuming you think tiras and armageddon are good pops.

[Blake]

Volcasaurus is bad. With the advent of Pendulums, Adreus took its spot without REQUIRING Gaia Dragon to be fully effective, and Volca just keeps getting worse.

 

Tiras is the best generic R5, followed by Shark Fortress, then Adreus/Zenmaioh.

 

This would be unbelievably broken if it was generic.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Diamond to stop mills

Pleiades to bounce ED cards

CDI to cock block

 

That's basically all the cards to run with Ptolo. What's amusing is OCG will hopefully be free of Pepe cancer while TCG gets the brunt of it. Pain Karma haha

[Kaiji]

Really cute to answer Wavering Eyes for 2 (bouncing plush) and make it resolve for 1

 

It also answers Castel and Ignister in the Mirror.

[BlackBeartic]

It's a shame Hokuto/Dipper misplayed so often with this card...

 

On another note this card is awesome and annoying all at the same time lol. Bouncing is almost always good and you can even recycle certain continuous traps and spells like Fiendish Chain or Tenki and many others.

[Aman Indra]

If only this monster would be spammable by some means at consistent speeds, constellars do it but i do not know if they are relevant or not.

[IQuitDolphin]

Run this, Ptole, Diamond, and Delteros

 

Easy 2-Mat Pleiades...if you can afford the space.

[Darj]

Volcasaurus is bad. With the advent of Pendulums, Adreus took its spot without REQUIRING Gaia Dragon to be fully effective, and Volca just keeps getting worse.

 

Tiras is the best generic R5, followed by Shark Fortress, then Adreus/Zenmaioh.

 

This would be unbelievably broken if it was generic.

 

This is off-topic, but I'm wondering which would be the place of Durendal in that ranking.

 

 

On topic: Yeah, this would be causing a lot of trouble if it was generic. I find interesting how a quick effect bounce can be so simple and yet so flexible by removing monsters, reusing Continuous Spell/Traps, etc.; the only thing this card is missing is non-targeting, but then it would have been crazy.

[玄魔の王]

This guy loses a bit of utility in a format where important monsters say "lolno targeting".

Diamond to stop mills
Pleiades to bounce ED cards
CDI to cock block

That's basically all the cards to run with Ptolo. What's amusing is OCG will hopefully be free of Pepe cancer while TCG gets the brunt of it. Pain Karma haha

Well we don't have Shock Bastard to help with locks so it's not as bad...

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

This guy loses a bit of utility in a format where important monsters say "lolno targeting".

Well we don't have Shock Bastard to help with locks so it's not as bad...

except Shock Bastard was never the problem? Even now people don't t1 shock. It was always Ptolo and now it's just the sheer consistency.

 

So no my good sire, TCG is not spared anythign

[Lizardonx]

The best rank 5 is Cyber dragon nova.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

The best rank 4 is Cyber dragon nova.

Ptolo fixed that for you

 

It's probably Azathoth tho

[Progenitor]

Volcasaurus is bad. With the advent of Pendulums, Adreus took its spot without REQUIRING Gaia Dragon to be fully effective, and Volca just keeps getting worse.

 

Tiras is the best generic R5, followed by Shark Fortress, then Adreus/Zenmaioh.

 

This would be unbelievably broken if it was generic.

 

Honestly Volcasaurus isn't garbage.  It's pretty freaking ridiculous if you can nuke a big enough threat.  And you don't need Gaia.  Volca can still attack a monster after it uses it's effect, it just can't attack directly.  I concede it's not even remotely close to the best rank 5 simply because pendulums exist, but I do contest it's worth a slot in a R5 deck (not r4 ptolo tho that's just stupid).

 

But if this was generic tho....Imagine steampunklizard.dek with Pleiades on the backburner....[shudders] 

[Blake]

Honestly Volcasaurus isn't garbage.  It's pretty freaking ridiculous if you can nuke a big enough threat.  And you don't need Gaia.  Volca can still attack a monster after it uses it's effect, it just can't attack directly.  I concede it's not even remotely close to the best rank 5 simply because pendulums exist, but I do contest it's worth a slot in a R5 deck (not r4 ptolo tho that's just stupid).

 

But if this was generic tho....Imagine steampunklizard.dek with Pleiades on the backburner....[shudders] 

First off, I never said it was garbage, that's you throwing out a stronger word in order to make your point stronger withotu effort.

 

You need Gaia, as far as deck building is concerned, which means Volca takes 2 slots. This should have been easy to infer, given Adreus was compared to not needing an extra monster to make it truly effective. And that's not even the full extent of why Adreus is better.

 

It's not worth a slot because there are too many good rank 5s that do more.

 

• Zenmaioh clears backrow/set monsters.
• Adreus clears Pendulum Scales/Floodgates/monsters.
• Tiras is just amazing.
• Shark Fortress is an OTK machine.
• Durendal has a lot practical applications.
• Magnaliger does the monster removal thing, but it gives you the ability to synergize with a new Cyber Dragon level 5 by making it into a quick effect. And Red Layer has enough ATK to bait out T-King, which is a big draw CyDra had. This makes Magnaliger better, at least on paper.
• Freezadon, at least once we finally get Rio's cards, is a generic 2-slot 3700 beater with damage prevention, which can also SS1 Skill Drain the opponent for a turn.
• Leo Arms is a beater, though not the most practical.*
• Number 12 is removal bait, at worst, and can be difficult to get over.*
• Machu Mech is a gimmicky OTK Machine.*
• Volca... removes monsters and has a drawback in exchange for dealing burn against things that hit the grave.
• Greedy Srameya is the same deal as Volca, but as a Raigeki.

*covered for the sake of covering.

 

Not covering things like Pleiades, Zereort, Cyber Dragon Nova, etc., seeing as they're not directly comparable. 

 

Now, there's a fair chance you'll run Gaia anyways, but the point remains, especially because Volca's weak even with it factored in.

 

Hits only monsters, when face-up S/T have never been more relevant.

Pendulums exist.

 

He's not versatile, he's just a balls-in attack that doesn't even have a guaranteed chance of working.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

First off, I never said it was garbage, that's you throwing out a stronger word in order to make your point stronger withotu effort.

 

You need Gaia, as far as deck building is concerned, which means Volca takes 2 slots. This should have been easy to infer, given Adreus was compared to not needing an extra monster to make it truly effective. And that's not even the full extent of why Adreus is better.

 

It's not worth a slot because there are too many good rank 5s that do more.

 

 

• Zenmaioh clears backrow/set monsters.
• Adreus clears Pendulum Scales/Floodgates/monsters.
• Tiras is just amazing.
• Shark Fortress is an OTK machine.
• Durendal has a lot practical applications.
• Magnaliger does the monster removal thing, but it gives you the ability to synergize with a new Cyber Dragon level 5 by making it into a quick effect. And Red Layer has enough ATK to bait out T-King, which is a big draw CyDra had. This makes Magnaliger better, at least on paper.
• Freezadon, at least once we finally get Rio's cards, is a generic 2-slot 3700 beater with damage prevention, which can also SS1 Skill Drain the opponent for a turn.
• Leo Arms is a beater, though not the most practical.*
• Number 12 is removal bait, at worst, and can be difficult to get over.*
• Machu Mech is a gimmicky OTK Machine.*
• Volca... removes monsters and has a drawback in exchange for dealing burn against things that hit the grave.
• Greedy Srameya is the same deal as Volca, but as a Raigeki.

*covered for the sake of covering.

 

Not covering things like Pleiades, Zereort, Cyber Dragon Nova, etc., seeing as they're not directly comparable. 

 

Now, there's a fair chance you'll run Gaia anyways, but the point remains, especially because Volca's weak even with it factored in.

 

Hits only monsters, when face-up S/T have never been more relevant.

Pendulums exist.

 

He's not versatile, he's just a balls-in attack that doesn't even have a guaranteed chance of working.

The Burn Damage isn't awful. People ran Gunman for the 800. Hit an XYZ then crash a wizard. That'd do upwards of 3k without Gaia.

 

Not saying it's good or bad. But noting for the record you can't summon it off Ptolo

[evilfusion]

Pleiades is so awesome. I mostly use it in Galaxy, where it's by FAR the best Rank 5 available to them. Galaxy Soldier is to credit for that, due to being an amazing card in the Deck on its own, and not too difficult to bring out 2 of them at once.

 

It's definitely a good thing it's not pure generic, because it's pretty wicked enough on its own. Bouncing a card isn't necessarily the most dangerous effect, but it provides excellent counters and combos all rolled into a decently threatening body, and when backed up with another threat (such as Divine Dragon Knight Felgrand), it forces the opponent to REALLY work to play around its effect. Plus it can bounce your own stuff, which is really funny when Galaxy Zero is involved. Revive Wizard, bounce Zero, search with Wizard. Next turn, you can use Zero again to advance your plays and Pleiades MIGHT still have an Overlay Unit.

[(GigaDrillBreaker)]

Bouncing Tenki in constellar was always a fun trick.

[ihop]

Tiras is the best generic R5, followed by Shark Fortress, then Adreus/Zenmaioh.

 

 

idc about the rest of this thread and I'm just here to nitpick but Durendal is the best generic rank 5.

[Aman Indra]

idc about the rest of this thread and I'm just here to nitpick but Durendal is the best generic rank 5.

and i am here just to state that you maybe are correct but no one cares. Also tiras does a lot more than durendal

[AGATHODAIMON BANGTAIL COW]

and i am here just to state that you maybe are correct but no one cares.

 

 

This is off-topic, but I'm wondering which would be the place of Durendal in that ranking.

RIP Voltex.

 

OT: Love how Constellar Sombre effectively "Normal Summons" this card, though I'd probably hate it if I was actually ever against Constellars. Oh, and it's pretty neat to make with Kaus+an Artifact.

[Aman Indra]

i would like to know the broken interactions if this card was generic though, since this is more of a rank 4 now instead of rank 5 as aniron said earlier.