Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Banned in TCG, Limited in OCG. At one point I hated this card too, (@ the peak of Star Seraph Shaddolls tier 0 run) But recently, after the putting down of Shaddolls, this card has seen a different role in the game. Atlanteans side it to be able to out Dark Law into AbzeroVolcanics side it to be able to Blaze Fenix out of Qlis and CDIMagician Pendulum side it to be able to Vortex the mirror or pepeNekroz side it to AbzeroSide it against Tellars to out the Shock CDI lock BA can side it go into Horse or Pilgrim It's honestly become a really good out to shitty locks, now while many of your ideas would be to burn the cards that lock, unbanning this seems like it might not be so unhealthy after all Honestly, I'm thinking this was the fault of the shaddolls more than Super Poly, the card has a favorable opinion in OCG, and there are enough people that want it to go to 2 again. So my question would be, upon hitting shaddolls in TCG, could this card return? Like it or not, Vortex and CDI are going to affect TCG soon enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 If this returns, it will make Buster Blader decks op Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 If this returns, it will make Buster Blader decks opThe Difference Threshold between 3 Super Poly and a 4th that you have to discard for is rather small Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 If this returns, it will make Buster Blader decks opBecause everyone runs dragons, clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Because everyone runs dragons, clearly.Run DNA Surgery, scublord /sarcasm Honestly though? I'm really wishing OCG hadn't banned Noden, the ability to remove disgusting XYZ spam field was one of the few things that made pepe with ptolo tolerable TCG shaddolls won't immediately become on the same power level of OCG shaddoll even if you do limit this card. Fluffle Mirrors might get a bit more annoying I suppose? Is that basically it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Because everyone runs dragons, clearly. Buster Blader just needs a Zombie World for Dragons to really take off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Buster Blader just needs a Zombie World for Dragons to really take offSo let me get this straight, people want this card to stay banned, because a tier 4 deck MIGHT get support in the distant future?.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 So let me get this straight, people want this card to stay banned, because a tier 4 deck MIGHT get support in the distant future?.... Did I say that? Did I actually put forward the premise you accused me of putting forward? Don't put words in my mouth, because I wasn't even referring to Super Poly in any way. I actually happen to like the card, but I don't expect Konami to unban it in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Did I say that? Did I actually put forward the premise you accused me of putting forward? Don't put words in my mouth, because I wasn't even referring to Super Poly in any way. I actually happen to like the card, but I don't expect Konami to unban it in the near future.Never accused you did I? I asked if that was the conclusion people in general were coming towards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconus297 Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Okay, the only real problem I have with Super Poly is that it's unchainable. That's probably also why it's never been at 3. If you could react to it, then I'd have no problem with letting it go- I can just Dark Bribe you and go on my merry way. But no. So, maybe we get another Cat/Rabbit scenario. Release a counterpart to Super Poly that's nerfed just slightly, and everyone's happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Okay, the only real problem I have with Super Poly is that it's unchainable. That's probably also why it's never been at 3. If you could react to it, then I'd have no problem with letting it go- I can just Dark Bribe you and go on my merry way. But no.So, maybe we get another Cat/Rabbit scenario. Release a counterpart to Super Poly that's nerfed just slightly, and everyone's happy.Resistance to things like CDI is a big part of this card's appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 I still remember shaddoll with this thing. Construct or no construct it can rot forever on the banlist, it will only cause problems as did El shaddoll fusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconus297 Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 It doesn't need to have effect resistance completely removed: maybe "monster effects cannot be included in any Chain started by this card" or something like that. Still, though, it shuts down interactions, and that's just bad design. I hate most unchainable cards for the same reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 It doesn't need to have effect resistance completely removed: maybe "monster effects cannot be included in any Chain started by this card" or something like that. Still, though, it shuts down interactions, and that's just bad design. I hate most unchainable cards for the same reason. Unchainability is still a relatively rare feature, so you aren't hating that many cards, and most of them aren't that great. I still remember shaddoll with this thing. Construct or no construct it can rot forever on the banlist, it will only cause problems as did El shaddoll fusion. Mind elaborating on this? Never accused you did I? I asked if that was the conclusion people in general were coming towards There are times when I can't tell, so if that's the case, I apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 I still remember shaddoll with this thing. Construct or no construct it can rot forever on the banlist, it will only cause problems as did El shaddoll fusion.El isn't causing any problems without Conny, Super Poly was fine at 1 even, they wanted to "exchange" it for Snatch, and for whatever reason decided to no swap it back. Full powered shaddolls were a problem without SPoly as both OCG dolls and the TCG Nov list proved That's probably also why it's never been at 3 It a surefire way to not let you opponent cock block you, it's not like you can't get rid of the card they summon. Which worse case is a winda now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 The Kaiju monsters/Santa Claws/Lava Golem/Volcanic Queen are theoretically another way to deal with most immovable monsters, but you run the risk of them beating your face in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 The Kaiju monsters/Santa Claws/Lava Golem/Volcanic Queen are theoretically another way to deal with most immovable monsters, but you run the risk of them beating your face in.Yes, but it's been proven for nearly a year that Super Poly limited does not break anything....hell even the vacuum scenario with just dolls - super poly were shown to be a problem, you can't say super poly broke shaddolls or that super poly was broken cause 1) SPoly has been legal the whole time in Japan and has NEVER been the problem in the Shaddoll Deck or any other deck2) TCG Dolls were still deemed a problem even without super poly put 1 and 2 together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Because everyone runs dragons, clearly. the buster blader synchro says that your opponent's monsters ARE dragons. check yo info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Okay, can we stop DRAGGON on about Buster Blader and actually talk about Super Poly? ---- I would be fine with Super Poly to 1; it was a powerful card, but it was by no means THAT broken to be ban-worthy. Especially now that Shaddolls got axed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Okay, can we stop DRAGGON on about Buster Blader and actually talk about Super Poly? ---- I would be fine with Super Poly to 1; it was a powerful card, but it was by no means THAT broken to be ban-worthy. Especially now that Shaddolls got axed.You have no idea how much I wanna slap you for that pun. Without Construct, Super Poly is one of the few ways that Shaddoll can remove and maintain advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexanort Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 i still resent shaddoll for making this get hit......card are awesome, allow you to get negater/quick effect that are everywhere nowadays, also with excpetion of shaddoll, using opponent's monster for fusion usually pretty gimmicky since it require you to waste up ED slot for something you rarely used, i know hero exist but unlike shaddoll, fusion with heroes doesnt give you much plus so this card only used as a sure monster removal, which is okay since that is what hero is lacking and as stated in the OP its a decent counter for floodgate monster, i wish this could go to 3... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 If it could be negated, it'd probably be fine at 3.1 is the right choice, though. Not overly broken, but too powerful for too many to be around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Konami be like: "1 Super Poly in every...3 cases!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 i still resent shaddoll for making this get hit......card are awesome, allow you to get negater/quick effect that are everywhere nowadays, also with excpetion of shaddoll, using opponent's monster for fusion usually pretty gimmicky since it require you to waste up ED slot for something you rarely used, i know hero exist but unlike shaddoll, fusion with heroes doesnt give you much plus so this card only used as a sure monster removal, which is okay since that is what hero is lacking and as stated in the OP its a decent counter for floodgate monster, i wish this could go to 3...Shaddoll were basically put down (Construct Limited, Winda Limited, Game, Monk, Soul Charge, and DAD limited too) Super Poly and Instant were at three with Noden legal and it was basically a free for all against XYZ's. After Super Poly got limited, it was a very nice card to have legal and didn't cause any undue problems. Agree with Airride that 1 is the proper number. If not Shaddolls, Noden would have gotten it limited like it did in OCG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 It can come back to 1. I don't want it to, but realistically we have almost no outs to the broken sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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