I Hate Snatch Steal Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 Why is it that a lot of people (or some people at least so I hear) miss exciton? Why do I feel like I'm the only one who was glad to see it banned? My philosophy on that card has always been: "If you need this to win, your so far behind in resources that you deserve to lose... [or at least a comeback move shouldn't be 1 generic rank 4 play away]" Game breakers like that should have to be drawn and/or better yet require deck dedication. Exciton feels like a card advantage reset button. Aren't those bad for the game if they are too easy to pull off? eg anime card of sanctity, no matter how far behind you were, you have 6 cards again.of course you can also gain even more advantage by setting your hand first. Admittedly, exiton doesn't let you cheat his requirement like that but he makes up for it by being in the extra deck so you never have to draw him and dodging a lot of cards that stop monsters because konami made him a quick effect for some ridiculous reason. I'm not trying to say that exciton is strictly worse then card of sanctity anime version. I'm trying to show that they are both bad for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 It punishes overextending. That's the whole point. If you make a big board but fail to end the game then and there, it is withing your opponent's right to punish you for it. That's the whole reason Exciton exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 That's not a very good point since most "big boards" since its release had some form of defense vs Exciton (Felgrand/Stardust/Giant Hand). It shines vs backrow decks mostly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 That's not a very good point since most "big boards" since its release had some form of defense vs Exciton (Felgrand/Stardust/Giant Hand). It shines vs backrow decks mostlymakes no sense since notice just around the corner doe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Exciton is not a reward for loosing, there are decks which plus harder than others, that doesnt mean you were playing bad yours.Card advantage is a key factor to determine who wins, but the duel is still decided when someone's LP to drop to 0 not when they run out of resources (in official terms of course).Comebacks is what makes this game somehow interesting and/or exciting and the type of comeback exciton provides is not something i would call broken (or any similar word). That being said, almost every card that nukes the field can punish a player for overextending, the card disadvantage restriction is just a way to balance exciton because of the fact that is a generic rank 4.Decent stablished boards have at least 1 way to deal with exciton or any other similar effect, if you make a hughe board and not only didnt finish the opponent but have nothing to protect them either, you deserve to being nuked. Not to mention with counter traps getting more and more relevant (solemn cards, grand horn, archetype negation traps) the card is even less scary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I can see what the designers were going for when thinking this card up. As a generic 2 material Rank 4, it is the most generic Rank among Xyz Monsters and it is more generic than any Synchro so it probably meant to be accessible to as many decks as possible, which is not necessarily a good or bad thing: You could argue more generic is akin to more risky to break by something, but I can see why they'd like it to not be monopolized by a single deck out there. The card being accessible on demand rather than having to be drawn means that you get to really decide when you want to go for it rather than it requiring searching to be consistent enough or being sacky and just saying you drew lucky. Both ways have their charm, but for competitive scenarios you typically want as much control over your actions as you can get. I personally only ever had trouble with it in a way I felt unfair when it was dropped on me by a Nekroz player. Mostly because if you kept your hand Trishula would murder your advantage, and if you didn't then they could always drop this and nuke you. Other than that any other use Exicton ever had that I witnessed either a ) Exploded in the face of players that'd try to set everything with no outs to it among them.b ) Helped a player catch up (without the above mindless overextention issue from option A) because it really didn't always put you ahead but just would give a chance to get back on track.c ) Hindered its user more than it helped them. I got to win many duels in the past because opponent X went for this instead of something that would have made much more of an impact against me online. Though sure, having it be quick and a double effect was the bigger issue with it. Should it have been a "detach 2" with a single non-quick use and keeping the restrictions and I think it would still have had use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 makes no sense since notice just around the corner doeStop taking my posts out of context and applying your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Stop taking my posts out of context and applying your own.I'm not, if the ideology behind Exciton was to stop backrow nukes, it was poor logic since Notice is just around the corner and people in R/D def knew that. So it's gotta be something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'm not, if the ideology behind Exciton was to stop backrow nukes, it was poor logic since Notice is just around the corner and people in R/D def knew that. So it's gotta be something else He's referring to the point of Exciton being strictly used to punish overextending, and he's referring to exciton's use to answer backrow before Notice. Hence out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 23, 2015 Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 He's referring to the point of Exciton being strictly used to punish overextending, and he's referring to exciton's use to answer backrow before Notice. Hence out of context.Hmm, ok, sorry then Fyre By that logic, Exciton would be a poor ban post notice would it not? I guess my point was unlike the Construct ban that had foresight to DMoC, Clowns, and potentially CED. Exciton was looking very much at the current format as it is, with little to no foresight of the future, hence my criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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