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40% of Millennials OK with limiting speech offensive to minorities

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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/

 

Title speaks for itself. It is generally telling to see the difference of values from how we used to interpret them to now. Perhaps George Orwell's opinion was... wrong? Or at least according to 40% of millennials it was. Politics is an ever changing stratosphere, and I am noticing that the once defined lines of what was Progressive and what was Conservative are now blurred into each other.

 

So YCM, do you feel speech should be limited to speech that is acceptable so as not to harm others? Or just Orwell's nightmare becoming reality?

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so before we continue

 

what is acceptable speech? who defines it?

I guess anything that anyone takes offense to, but I get what you mean, it is a bit vague.

 

Meanwhile, I'm offended by your post because it made me think too hard about political things, unacceptable behaviour?

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Um you mean like calling my friend who's a Black guy a " my n***a" as a casual term?

btw not everyone of course but I've never personally met anyone who was okay with being called racial slurs casually. Your mileage may vary but that's a thing.

 

Anyway I feel like we're going to extremes here and we need to set something down for just how limited we mean.

 

 

IDK, and frankly, I don't think that 40% really cared either. They are too busy in their little chamber of happy rainbows and butterflies to focus on the intricacies of everything.

This post is really aggressive, generalizing, and doesn't promote good discussion.

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This post is really aggressive, generalizing, and doesn't promote good discussion.

Aggressive? Really? It was more blunt than aggressive, I see no reason to beat around the bush about the issue. I barely even generalized. I specifically said the 40% who voted yes to the limiting of said speech. Yes, I do believe that if you had said yes to that question, you clearly did not understand the complexities of free speech. I don't find that a generalization. Me creating the topic was the only promoting of the discussion I would give, the rest of my posts would be my general opinion. I created the topic, but I am not the damn referee.

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You've never heard black guys casually throw around "n***a"

 

Interesting....

In a sense, it always depends on who you're talking to. When saying those things, it is important to understand whether someone will be okay with it or not.

 

I call my friends (who are black btw) n***a, n***er, and n***oe. Most of them are my uses of my humor. I say those things to them because I understand that they know I don't mean it as an insult. I wouldn't go around saying those things to just anybody, only to people I know can understand me.

 

Well you know what this is, PC culture is gonna keep eating away a free speech to appease people

If the majority don't want free speech, who are we to argue? I don't mean to be that guy, but we are slowly becoming a minority in this issue.

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Aggressive? Really? It was more blunt than aggressive, I see no reason to beat around the bush about the issue. I barely even generalized. I specifically said the 40% who voted yes to the limiting of said speech. Yes, I do believe that if you had said yes to that question, you clearly did not understand the complexities of free speech. I don't find that a generalization. Me creating the topic was the only promoting of the discussion I would give, the rest of my posts would be my general opinion. I created the topic, but I am not the damn referee.

I am merely stating that your way of giving your opinion really doesn't make your opinion come across in the intelligent way you probably intend. Was just pointing out how it was almost an empty statement. And yes you generalized those 40% as "too busy in their little chamber of happy rainbows and butterflies to focus on the intricacies of everything"

 

 

You've never heard black guys casually throw around "n***a"

 

Interesting....

 

Well you know what this is, PC culture is gonna keep eating away a free speech to appease people

You should ask Dad how he feels about his friends calling him that. Might enlighten you to the world a little.

 

Sorry but some people are not going to be okay with certain things and that is fine. Like if something you say truly upsets a person then there's no real reason to not at least apologize/try not to say that kinda thing to them.

 

You have proven to me time and time again you don't understand free speech even after several people have tried to explain it. It's really hard to have a discussion with you when you constantly seem to forget the things people have explained (and in several cases you've agreed with but then go right back to disagreeing)

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I am merely stating that your way of giving your opinion really doesn't make your opinion come across in the intelligent way you probably intend. Was just pointing out how it was almost an empty statement. And yes you generalized those 40% as "too busy in their little chamber of happy rainbows and butterflies to focus on the intricacies of everything"

 

That wasn't meant to be taken seriously but alright, sure.

 

 

You should ask Dad how he feels about his friends calling him that. Might enlighten you to the world a little.

 

Sorry but some people are not going to be okay with certain things and that is fine. Like if something you say truly upsets a person then there's no real reason to not at least apologize/try not to say that kinda thing to them.

 

You have proven to me time and time again you don't understand free speech even after several people have tried to explain it. It's really hard to have a discussion with you when you constantly seem to forget the things people have explained (and in several cases you've agreed with but then go right back to disagreeing)

 

 

As I also said, it depends on who you say it too. I don;t think Winter meant s=meant say "n***a" to everyone in a two foot radius and tell them to suck it up.

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You know what? I'm tired. I'm tired of all this. I really am. Let's limit freedom of speech! C'mon!! 

But not, it's not just one way. You don't like me talking about bullying because it 'offends' you? Well you and your talks about 'triggers' and the like offend me, so no, you can't talk about them either.

And you know what? Math offends me. We're not talking about that.

So does Magic the Gathering.

AND BARNEY THE F***ING DINOSAUR OFFENDS ME TOO!! SHUT HIM DOWN!

(Sorry, got some aggression out in an over the top way.) 

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Okay this is kinda spammy but I find it amusing that, imo, if anything on this site is cancerous it's General. Holy cow.

What's funny is didn't you make a thread apologizing

 

I am merely stating that your way of giving your opinion really doesn't make your opinion come across in the intelligent way you probably intend. Was just pointing out how it was almost an empty statement. And yes you generalized those 40% as "too busy in their little chamber of happy rainbows and butterflies to focus on the intricacies of everything"

 

 

You should ask Dad how he feels about his friends calling him that. Might enlighten you to the world a little.

 

Sorry but some people are not going to be okay with certain things and that is fine. Like if something you say truly upsets a person then there's no real reason to not at least apologize/try not to say that kinda thing to them.

 

You have proven to me time and time again you don't understand free speech even after several people have tried to explain it. It's really hard to have a discussion with you when you constantly seem to forget the things people have explained (and in several cases you've agreed with but then go right back to disagreeing)

Why should I apologize? The supreme court has made laws on the limitation of free speech and cuddly bear's feelings being hurt isn't one of them

 

I follow the law, not some kid with a stick up his ass's sense of morality

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What's funny is didn't you make a thread apologizing

 

Why should I apologize? The supreme court has made laws on the limitation of free speech and cuddly bear's feelings being hurt isn't one of them

 

I follow the law, not some kid with a stick up his ass's sense of morality

The difference is phil deserved the apology and I happen not to be in complete mental breakdown/panic attack mode.

You still don't know what the law is though. Your idea of Freedom of Speech isn't the actual truth, we've been over this before. Stop ignoring the facts.

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The difference is phil deserved the apology and I happen not to be in complete mental breakdown/panic attack mode.

You still don't know what the law is though. Your idea of Freedom of Speech isn't the actual truth, we've been over this before. Stop ignoring the facts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions

 

I believe I do actully

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snyder_v._Phelps

 

This one in particular I think is relevant. 

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Every time you've talked about Freedom of Speech it's been an idealistic "how you think it should be" version that people use to get away with vile things, so forgive me if I am a bit skeptical.

 

Not to mention you're still over-generalizing the issue so it's hard to take this seriously.

 

Edit: Wrong assumptions are hilarious.

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inb4wikipedianotcrediblesource

http://www.uscourts.gov/educational-resources/educational-activities/facts-and-case-summary-snyder-v-phelps

 

+1

Every time you've talked about Freedom of Speech it's been an idealistic "how you think it should be" version that people use to get away with vile things, so forgive me if I am a bit skeptical.

 

Not to mention you're still over-generalizing the issue so it's hard to take this seriously.

 

Edit: Wrong assumptions are hilarious.

and you wiping your definition of "vile" all over my face is any better how?

 

Indeed they are, is that why you make so many of them?

 

If it's legal for WBC to say god hate's bastards at a funeral of a fallen solider, by god it's ok for me to use a more liberal meaning of autistic or say that the my country has being the author of much of it's own plain.

 

Does that offend you? Well too funking bad.

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I didn't define what I meant by vile but.

Things such as verbally abusing Muslims for being Muslim, that kinda stuff. Vile.

 

Anyway do you know the best part of the thread?

 

40% of one group disagreeing with you makes you say that people are in general being too soft.

Now this I take rather seriously.

 

Did you know malicious slander IS prohibited unlike the things you falsely accuse me of?

Do be careful with spam, guys. It's difficult to parse this topic when there's a QFE post or random aside every two posts.

Sorry Rai, I'm just wondering how far he's willing to stretch the limitations of FoS

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