Maeriberii Haan Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Big update. Siegfried can target any face-up Spell/Trap on the field, so it works like RDAbyss and Contrast Hero Chaos. And Orthros is a funking tuner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 And Orthros is a funking tuner. And Orthros is a funking tuner. tuner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY7sMsgyuJw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterr259 Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 So Orthros a Level 4 Pendulum Tuner whose only real drawback is that I can only SS fiends?Just too bad D/Ds are too "fiendish" to care. *ba dum tss* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 So Orthros a Level 4 Pendulum Tuner whose only real drawback is that I can only SS fiends?Just too bad D/Ds are too "fiendish" to care. *ba dum tss*well, that has the potential to be a real drawback, because it means you can't go into Ignister, Omega, or Stardust Spark. On the other hand, you get a pseudo-Shi En. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizardonx Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Sigfried went from being trash to great just like that. Generic level 8s are still an option with lamia+level 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Sigfried went from being trash to great just like that. Generic level 8s are still an option with lamia+level 7.It was hardly trash, people just overreacted to a decent card. And that doesn't change that it's a drawback on Orthros... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Pls no double post I just realized Copernicus can mill the trap. It's good then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 The Synchro is really damn silly. Orthros... Can do things... Sure. Lamia is nice. Yami Contract- And I like Rebuild's artwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 NOW I understand why apocalypse has that pendulum zone summon clause. It works with yaminakai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 18, 2015 Report Share Posted November 18, 2015 Big update. Siegfried can target any face-up Spell/Trap on the field, so it works like RDAbyss and Contrast Hero Chaos.Oh, sick. Now they get blown out less by Twin Twister.And Orthros is a funking tuner.Well that's fun, innit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
En. Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 So Siegfried is probably worth running at 1, 2 perhaps if you're going for a Synchro variant because Lamia is making plays happening!!Lamia is probably one of the best cards to run in your main deck, you can dump dat useless Necro Slime in your hand or dat Contract you don't need anymore, and since it is not restricted, D/D now has access to... wait for it... Lord Omega and Beelze.Orthros is pretty much your themed Archfiend Eccentrick, is really good imo. Its monster effect can come in handy to prevent your opponent from OTK-ing you.Rebuild and Yami Contract are amazing, it makes scale setting an ez thing now. I can't wait to remove my silly techs. This is stupid, and insane, and stupid, and good, and ridiculous, and great, and stupid, and I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 I do like that it's insane, but to the point were it's still a bit situational. Sure searching Dark Contracts is pretty easy, but it generally involves burning your normal summon. The Synchro can absurdly break floodgates, but you not only have to have the gate, but you have to make the card BEFORE you activate that gate generally, which can lead to some potential clogs. So yeah the stuff is crazy af, but it's pretty subtly balanced in a way, so I'm alright with it. I generally just play Slimespam.dek when I play DDD anyway so adding some variety is definitely welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 Lord OmegaDat swamp king synergy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headmaster Monokuma Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 God, Black, no need to be so hostile. Anyway, this support confirms that Lamia is the best variety of monster girl. If that's what you consider hostile, that's pretty silly. Putting things bluntly isn't the same as being hostile on any level. Black was annoyed obviously, which I can understand since he seems to adore this deck, but hostile seems to take it a bit far. The only thing that would even be able to be considered close to hostile was saying the guy wasn't accepting that decks change, which was hardly an attack on him. Seigfried is hilarious. Part of me wishes that card was generic to see how widespread it would be used, because an effect like that has so much potential when paired with floodgates. Orothos seems really good at the moment. It's flexible on how it can be summoned, it's a Tuner, it's got a fantastic Pendulum effect. Level 4 is fantastic as well, it's a solid card. That Fiend-only drawback has the potential to hurt, but I doubt enough to make the card not worth it. Lamia seems really solid as well. I haven't played D/D/D yet, so I'm unsure if they need a reoccuring Level 1 Tuner, but I fail to see how it can really hurt to have it. Yami Contract is fantastic, not much needs to be said there. I'm unsure about the last one, it seems mostly unneeded to me. Perhaps it's better than I'm giving it credit for, but it seems like it's unnecesary and just a bit too slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted November 19, 2015 Report Share Posted November 19, 2015 So is Siegfied... ...Some kind of Raiden expy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Highlander Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Interesting support, an easy to summon sychro monster (e.g. night howling + berfomet), a one-off contract (maybe 1-2) to retrieve used newtons, galilei to dodge non-destruction removal or a ragnarok to either use the revival effect for more board filling and/or a "good low end scale".A Tuning Magician for D/Ds (Necro + Lamia is also a level 7 or 8 synchro play (and a fusion monster (most times))).Funnily enough (after a bit of testing) I can conclude that orthros is funnily enough the one, my testing showed, to be the least useful.And the Trap seems unnecessary ... considering it is no covenant and thus not really searchable, yet would require that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Interesting support, an easy to summon sychro monster (e.g. night howling + berfomet), a one-off contract (maybe 1-2) to retrieve used newtons, galilei to dodge non-destruction removal or a ragnarok to either use the revival effect for more board filling and/or a "good low end scale".A Tuning Magician for D/Ds (Necro + Lamia is also a level 7 or 8 synchro play (and a fusion monster (most times))).Funnily enough (after a bit of testing) I can conclude that orthros is funnily enough the one, my testing showed, to be the least useful.And the Trap seems unnecessary ... considering it is no covenant and thus not really searchable, yet would require that.I disagree with the Lamia comparison and the assessment of Orthros. Lamia is not comparable to Tuning Magician, because she does take speficic setup to be good. You run, like, 1, because it's only good when you want to 141/find a Lamia. Orthros' scale effect is stupidly good, and it allows you to set a very good 3/5 scale set with Ragnarok, which gives you needed removal at the same time as the ability to PS4, which feels like the way the deck's going to shift. Orthros is definitely not the best in D'Arc/Fusion turbo, but that build was only played due to being the best the deck could do at the time. TBH, all 5 new cards don't fit well in the D'Arc build, which means the deck needs to shift, and focusing on the ability to Pendulum Summon seems better now, between Siegfried, Orthros, and Copernicus. And each DC, bar Hellgate, feels a lot worse. They take up too much space you need for monsters if you run too many, and it bogs you down because they're dependent on the amount of monsters and setup you have. Testing shows me the DC ratio is something like:3 Gate1-2 Swamp King (the slimes are better at fusion, they just can't make Caesar Ragnarok)1 Yamimakai0-1 Witch0-1 Errors The deck really needs more searching aside from Gate, though. Your monsters have a lot of strength and potential, but they're limited because of lower consistency, especially without Gate. Kepler is now a neccesary evil, more than an amazing card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Highlander Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 I disagree with the Lamia comparison and the assessment of Orthros. Lamia is not comparable to Tuning Magician, because she does take speficic setup to be good. You run, like, 1, because it's only good when you want to 141/find a Lamia. Orthros' scale effect is stupidly good, and [...]Lamia is kind of like tuning magician, though by far worse than tuning.I said that is how orthros seems ACCORDING TO THE TESTING I MADE I did NOT state it would be like that, only that experience makes it look that way, that is in no way a statement I made, so calm down.And honestly I do play exactly 1 Lamia, as she can quite be dead and multiple are pure cancer for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Lamia is kind of like tuning magician, though by far worse than tuning.I said that is how orthros seems ACCORDING TO THE TESTING I MADE I did NOT state it would be like that, only that experience makes it look that way, that is in no way a statement I made, so calm down.And honestly I do play exactly 1 Lamia, as she can quite be dead and multiple are pure cancer for you.I'm not upset. You really, REALLY need thicker skin if you think I was, damn ._. I said I disagreed with your assessment. That's it. And that you made an eh comparison for Lamia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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