Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 【Divine-Beast/Effect/DIVINE/Level 10/ATK ?/DEF ?】 Requires 3 Tributes to Normal Summon (cannot be Normal Set). This card's Normal Summon cannot be negated. When this card is Summoned, cards and effects of Spell/Trap/non-DIVINE Monster Cards cannot be activated. Spell/Monster Cards effects affect this card only until the End Phase but this card cannot leave the field due to Spell/Monster Cards effects. Trap Cards cannot affect this card directly except for altering the Attack/Defense of this card only until the End Phase. Control of this card cannot switch. During the End Phase when this card is Special Summoned, return this card to your Deck/Graveyard/Banished Zone that it was Special Summoned from except from Hand. This card has an Instant Attack effect which allows it to attack during the turn it has been Special Summoned. When this card is Special Summoned, it can only activate one effect. If this card is Special Summoned in face-up Defense Position when an opponent's monster declares an attack, that attack would target this card instead. If this card is Special Summoned in face-up Defense Position when monster(s) on your side of the field would be affected by a card effect, that effect will affect this card instead. Your opponent cannot Tribute this card. This card is unaffected by the effect of Obelisk the Tormentor and Slifer the Sky Dragon due to its Hierarchy. When this card is Normal Summoned, its original ATK and DEF become the total respective attack and defense of the Tributed monsters. You can activate One Turn Kill effect by paying all but 1 of your Life Points to increase this card’s attack and defense by the total Life Points you paid. You can also Tribute all other monsters you control to increase this card’s attack and defense by the total attack and defense of the Tributed monsters respectively. Then, this card can attack all monsters your opponent controls once each and if your opponent controls no monsters anymore, it can attack your opponent directly. If De-Fusion is used on this card,this card attack will be negated (if this card is attacking) and the attack of this card will decrease to 0 and your life points will increase by the amount of this card attack points. You can activate God Phoenix effect by paying 1000 Life Points to attack and destroy all monsters your opponent controls including Obelisk the Tormentor and Slifer the Sky Dragon. God Phoenix will not be destroyed by card effect/battle and the controller will not receive battle damage" Uh so this card god confirmed for the Millennium Pack, the above wall being the anime effect, Konami pretty much split the card into three forms to make the effect less redic, All that remains is 1) Ability to SS2) Gain ATK= to monsters you tribute3) Invincibility Making this card first require being SS'ed by Tributing Regular Ra but then tacking on the killer clause doesn't sound too bad. It would be a three card combination? Sphere->Regular->Pheonix. If this isn't the right place for the card, Mods, please move it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enguin Enguin Enguin Enguin Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 Until we actually know what the cards effect is going to be there's little to say seen as the anime effect is just nonsense. "This card is unaffected by the effect of Obelisk the Tormentor and Slifer the Sky Dragon due to its Hierarchy" for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 Until we actually know what the cards effect is going to be there's little to say seen as the anime effect is just nonsense.Well there's the trend of completing the effects, and only 2 effects are left, but pt taken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 Also, wouldn't an [ANIME effect] tag in the title be appropriate as we don't know what it'll do IRL yet, but yeah the combined anime eff is simply ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 I honestly don't know what they plan to do with this.Making a 3-step monster this heavy makes me expect this last one to be super bonkers but the remaining effects are all things that'd benefit the earlier parts more, and the "Summon Ra with 4000 ATK" technically IS the "Tributed monsters' ATK" bit translated into IRL... so it really doesn't have much else to be done to it.I almost expect the IRL Phoenix mode to be something completely different from what was known of Ra up until now. If it isn't something that sounds OP in exchange for the incredibly impractical heaviness of the monsters, I hope it'd be an Extra Deck monster, probably a Fusion (and no, I don't care about "materials" I'd just have it be one so it wouldn't add in more weight to the Main). EDIT:The anime effects are heavily inconsistent: Ra was killed by Slifer's second mouth on the last duel of DM, and according to my brother, Obelisk retained an attack modification for about 3 turns somewhere in the Battle City semi-finals duel. Then Obelisk redirected an attack against a monster during Marik's duel iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted November 11, 2015 Report Share Posted November 11, 2015 Anime was very inconsistent on its effects until like...Waking the Dragons I wanna say (And incredibly confusing, too)? At very least, GX made things not change so much; Cards like Ra basically had whatever effect the controller needed at the time, unlike now where they just drew whatever they need next turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 1) Ability to SS2) Gain ATK= to monsters you tribute3) Invincibility "Cannot be Normal Summoned or Set. Cannot be Special Summoned except from the Graveyard. If you control "The Winged Dragon of Ra", you can Tribute it; Special Summon this card from the Graveyard. This card's Special Summon cannot be negated. When Special Summoned, other cards and effects cannot be activated. -rest of the effect- During your End Phase; Send this card to the Graveyard."? ATK/? DEF As well as:"(Unaffected)/(Cannot be targeted by) other card effects.""You can Tribute any monster(s) (in your hand?) or on your side of the field; This card gains the ATK and DEF of the tributed monsters." Watch it be this word for word. (inaccurate card grammar notwithstanding) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 It seems to me that if the 3 gods had been translated into IRL using what happened in the anime/manga as a base rather than what the anime/manga tried to write for them, it'd be: Slifer immune to Spells.Because it was affected by Magic Cylinders and Spellbinding Circle, both of which target, but wasn't by Brain Control or Dark Sanctuary. Obelisk immune to Traps.Because it was affected by Sword of Soul, Seal of Orichalcos, and Slifer, but wasn't by Mirror Force.I could also say that an alternate viable translation would be "Slifer = no target" and "Obelisk = only targeting" but Obelisk just broke that with Orichalcos (and as filler as it might be, for the anime-verse, it still is there), and I'd like to keep some unity on the 3 as a set so "Slifer = no targets" + "obelisk = no Traps" is possible, but weird. Ra immune to Monsters... but only under phoenix mode, otherwise a featherless chicken.Ra was shown to be killed by Spell Cards Ragnarok and Mound of the Bound Creator, affected by Slifer's mouth, and I don't think any Traps were ever even attempted at it, so pretty much everything seems to be able to kill it, but when it was in the deus-ex-Phoenix-Mode it seemed to be absurdly immune to both effects and battle from the monsters, including an arbitrary "no damage" time vs Marik. It makes sense that the one immune to monsters would be like this since monsters were kind of the most important thing in the game there.... It's also work towards the "they have weaknesses individually but not when together" if that effect got expanded to all your original Divine Beast Types, so that when all 3 were in play, they'd compensate the effort with "immune to all effects" massive beaters.... at least that would have been like I would have handled them IRL... instead there's a pretty solid non-target Obelisk and 2 monsters that are completely affected by stuff.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 I thought the anime gods had certain effects between them all. They could not be destroyed by card effects, hence Obelisk's immunity to Mirror Force.They could not switch control (Slifer immune to Brain Control).Modifiers affecting them directly only lasted a single turn (including revival effects). Yugi used a Trap that affected the Monster Zone Obelisk was in, and that's why the debuff lingered. Ra was in Phoenix Mode when Slifer's second mouth hit it during Battle City. Phoenix Ra was of the higher hierarchy and so could also destroy a God card with its pay 1000 effect. Ra was in regular mode when Yugi reflected Slifer's mouth bursts to the other gods. The Orichalcos affected everything, so that may not count, and the Orichalcos was also said to TRUMP the Egyptian powers, such as Millennium items and God cards, so that may also have overruled Obelisk's normal rule on buffs. And yet...supposedly Blast Held by a Tribute would have destroyed Obelisk if Kaiba attacked Ishizu with it, so... Ugh, the anime God Cards were a nightmare to fully comprehend, and Ra was needlessly complicated. You could use De-Fusion on it if you paid LP, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 I thought the anime gods had certain effects between them all. They could not be destroyed by card effects, hence Obelisk's immunity to Mirror Force.They could not switch control (Slifer immune to Brain Control).Modifiers affecting them directly only lasted a single turn (including revival effects). Yugi used a Trap that affected the Monster Zone Obelisk was in, and that's why the debuff lingered. Ra was in Phoenix Mode when Slifer's second mouth hit it during Battle City. Phoenix Ra was of the higher hierarchy and so could also destroy a God card with its pay 1000 effect. Ra was in regular mode when Yugi reflected Slifer's mouth bursts to the other gods. The Orichalcos affected everything, so that may not count, and the Orichalcos was also said to TRUMP the Egyptian powers, such as Millennium items and God cards, so that may also have overruled Obelisk's normal rule on buffs. And yet...supposedly Blast Held by a Tribute would have destroyed Obelisk if Kaiba attacked Ishizu with it, so... Ugh, the anime God Cards were a nightmare to fully comprehend, and Ra was needlessly complicated. You could use De-Fusion on it if you paid LP, for example. I don't remember the Phoenix Mode hit by Slifer, did it have 0 ATK when Slifer shot or did it do anything to Ra? I'm interested in that so will dig into it more.The regular Ra being affected by Slifer I was accounting for."affected for a turn" I overlooked xD... but thankfully it's not too long of an addendum and it'd still probably work. Ra got destroyed by a Spell though, so I guess Gods were not all "not destroyed by effects".... though I think the nightmarish part is that the effect probably played into that weird hierarchy the gods have, raising the Spell's hierarchy by using the other gods as tributes for it or something weird like that..... Blast Held by a Tribute affecting Obelisk...... damn..... I need to work on this more... inconsistencies everywhere xD EDIT: Forgot to address the De-Fusion part.I think that's much like Refpanel's "target a player" even though Ra + LP wasn't even a Fusion Card..... oh my god, I can't think of a way it'd work in a way that'd make sense even if I could properly describe Refpanel's ways in-detail clear as day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexanort Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 "You can activate One Turn Kill effect by paying all but 1 of your Life Points to increase this card’s attack and defense by the total Life Points you paid"wait that is the 2nd RA ability right? if i remember correctly god phoenix only refer to the 3rd RA effect to destroy monster, for the IRL, if they decided to merge both 2nd and 3rd RA effect, they could just give it kali yuuga clause, then a choice of 2 effect, field nuke or multi attack+direct attack effect, for the summoning condition, i just hope its the normal RA clause that tribute 3 and the total atk become this card's atk and not tributing the normal RA....since that card is horrible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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