Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 1 "Shaddoll" monster + 1 LIGHT monster Must first be Fusion Summoned. If this card is Special Summoned: You can send 1 "Shaddoll" card from your Deck to the Graveyard. At the start of the Damage Step, if this card battles a Special Summoned monster: Destroy that monster. If this card is sent to the Graveyard: You can target 1 "Shaddoll" Spell/Trap Card in your Graveyard; add it to your hand. So the OCG list will drop in give a month and a week and this card had me thinking. The Clown Engine is gonna need a hit regardless of Dolls, Super Poly is banned or limited, wouldn't coupling this card's unban with a Juggler limit and a Shaddoll Fusion limit be solid? TCG side, Ptolo-Inf will mean Seraphs have to go so that's out too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 why don't this go back to 1 or 2 without any other sort of hit that sounds like a better idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman Indra Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Probably the only card in The Ygo universe that does not need a introduction but deserves one. This card didnt had to go to 0 on either side of the field. Sure this opened up some dynamic game states but nothing compared to the other decks out there right now. This would been rather complacent at 2 or 1. 0 just felt like an attempt to "kick in the nuts to buy new sets". Should come back soon, limited if not at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Probably the only card in The Ygo universe that does not need a introduction but deserves one. This card didnt had to go to 0 on either side of the field. Sure this opened up some dynamic game states but nothing compared to the other decks out there right now. This would been rather complacent at 2 or 1. 0 just felt like an attempt to "kick in the nuts to buy new sets". Should come back soon, limited if not at 3.It kinda had to go to 0 in OCG tho. They tried it at one, dolls flared up again with Chaos Emp and BLS. I agree now it can go back to 1 pretty easily. TCG should prolly hit seraphs tho, dolls in combo with that isn't fair why don't this go back to 1 or 2 without any other sort of hit that sounds like a better idea Why do you think the card is fine without any hits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Why do you think the card is fine without any hits?Because only 1 construct makes the deck hard to play regardless of w/e other engines you use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirReal Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Personally I find the ESF hit to be a harder kick in the nuts than Construct. It sucks to lose Construct but losing 2 fusion spells really drops the consistency considering the only searcher for those spells is a slow flip effect monster, and that's if it gets flipped up. Honestly, Construct's sending effect was decently balanced, it basically allows you to get 2 shaddoll effects to allow you to even out with your resources after fusion summoning using the hand/field (you go -3 to fusion summon [spell + 2 material] construct replaces the spell, the shaddoll used as material offers another +1, and Construct's send allows another shaddoll to give you a plus, evening out at +0) The excuse that the battle phase shenanigans were too stronk is completely uncalled for in the TCG because Kozmo is battle phase shenanigans.dek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nyx Avatar Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Compared to the other cards on the Ban List, this seems like a weird choice. Exciton Knight clears the field, Apoqliphort Towers brings an almost immortal wall, but Shaddoll Construct? I figured Winda crippled the opponent more than Construct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Compared to the other cards on the Ban List, this seems like a weird choice. Exciton Knight clears the field, Apoqliphort Towers brings an almost immortal wall, but Shaddoll Construct? I figured Winda crippled the opponent more than Construct.nah, it was the right card to hit, but they hit it too hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizardonx Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 To play devil's advocate almost no boss monsters does as much for their deck as construct. It can be summoned by pulling all its materials from the deck which are designed to float upon being sent this way, upon being special summoned you can send any shaddoll to activate its effect, it has a massive 2800 attack and its ability instantly outs the overwhelming majority of all monsters due to it being nontargeting (such as the kozmo ships). Then when it dies in any way including you get the fusion spell back that can immediately pump out another one provided they used the extra deck to out it. Construct just provides far too much power and utility in a deck that has already high amounts of both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 To play devil's advocate almost no boss monsters does as much for their deck as construct. It can be summoned by pulling all its materials from the deck which are designed to float upon being sent this way, upon being special summoned you can send any shaddoll to activate its effect, it has a massive 2800 attack and its ability instantly outs the overwhelming majority of all monsters due to it being nontargeting (such as the kozmo ships). Then when it dies in any way including you get the fusion spell back that can immediately pump out another one provided they used the extra deck to out it. Construct just provides far too much power and utility in a deck that has already high amounts of both.Construct should not be banned, and while you made fair points, you only presented the points that support your view, purposely ignoring the others. This is the only remotely offensive boss that Shaddolls have. The others are incredibly passive, given that they're answers/ways to keep the opp down, and this was re only super consistent way of advancing, at least without Falco going into a synchro. And she's hardly impossible to answer. She'll just clear one treat before you make another in response. The deck wasn't some unfair monstrosity, aside from the design of OG Fusion and Winda at times, and was all around well made. Completely murdering Construct was dumb as funk, because the one copy would still be invaluable and worth trying to reuse, in order advance your game, instead of stunt theirs. There is a big difference between the quality of advantage that pushes YOU forward and advantage that pushes THEM back. So while Construct does "too much" on paper, it's what ties the deck together. While strong, it's not going to win the game on the spot. And any LIGHT floating is due to running additional engines to support it, which could arguably be the fault of those engines. Does she deserve a limit for now? Yeah. But not a ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Construct was not the real problem. At least not enough to be banned. The problem was the absurd LIGHT monsters that gave you ridiculous advantage that you could freely play because you had this. (I'm looking at you, Clowns/Soverigns).Another problem was El-Shaddoll Fusion into itself and thinning the deck even more, but that got hit, so wouldn't Construct be less threatening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 You don't need construct though. Train Dolls got 2nd at nats a format after Construct got banned, as soon as Trains get imported you won't need this card Then there's Kycoo Control Dolls with DMoC and Dark Renewal which will be a thing in TCG hopefully next format. Broaden you mind, Construct is what speeds up the deck and allows you to splash the envoys. Now will I like to see it come back? Absolutely. We had to wait a year for both Zenmaity and Trishula (longer in TCG) expect the same for Construct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 But guys, without Nekz, Qliphs, and Shaddolls losing the better cards of the Decks, Konami can't force Kozmo on us O,o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 tbh they could have Construct Math and El back at 3 with kozmo as a deck they'll be irrelevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 tbh they could have Construct Math and El back at 3 with kozmo as a deck they'll be irrelevant But, wouldn't Construct be able to run over the Kozmoships with relative ease? Of course, Dark Destroyer can still remove her with its effect, but certainly not by battle. Or what am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Card shouldn't be at 0. 1 would have been more than fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Card shouldn't be at 0. 1 would have been more than fine.Clowns. DMoC, CED soon to come I'd assume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirReal Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Dmoc and CED are nerfed into the ground and not worth it. Clowns would be the only reason this thing is banned, although it's not like Construct broke Clowns since they do their thing very well regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Dmoc and CED are nerfed into the ground and not worth it. Clowns would be the only reason this thing is banned, although it's not like Construct broke Clowns since they do their thing very well regardless.That's really not true. When (if) chaos Emperor dragon gets unbanned and moved over here, the deck can face funk Kozmo and Majespecter if you get the proper Denko play off. DMoC is a little harder to justify, but Dark Renewal and Magical Dimension can basically summon him for free removal. Getting back a raigeki or something could swing games Is it as potent as getting Super Poly or Duster back? No, but likely still quite good I'm hoping we get an emergency banlist soon for DMoC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted November 12, 2015 Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 You don't need construct though. Train Dolls got 2nd at nats a format after Construct got banned, as soon as Trains get imported you won't need this card Then there's Kycoo Control Dolls with DMoC and Dark Renewal which will be a thing in TCG hopefully next format. Broaden you mind, Construct is what speeds up the deck and allows you to splash the envoys. Now will I like to see it come back? Absolutely. We had to wait a year for both Zenmaity and Trishula (longer in TCG) expect the same for Construct We might not need to wait for a "next format" actually, since DMoC reprint comes out this Friday, and they DID say they wouldn't attach themselves to fixed dates for lists in TCG anymore, so I'm half-expecting a patching up of the banlist as soon as they release this, because they probably didn't want to unban DMoC before the reprint to avoid the complications of new people having to go through a confusing sudden change in effect to what they were using for the week or two before the product was officially released... better just make sure the effect used in legal play is the one they have prepared for said reprint. It would probably not be considered a "new format" list if it did that, and if it doesn't do that, they wouldn't be taking full advantage of their statement about "we update whenever we want to from now on"... Shadolls has been one of my favorite top tier decks to face in the history of the game. They make good power plays but the design of "bring out 1 big boss, set the rest for now" prevents the deck from just going for an OTK, provides good walls that are not only OTK cushions but also landmines with their FLIP effects waiting to happen. Then their Shaddoll Fusion is better Future Fusion in both how it is more instant, but it doesn't have to worry about "sent your entire deck to the Graveyard" plays, and it only got out its full potential under specific conditions that although unavoidable for some decks to fulfill, it still boils down to "your opponent has a boss out? great". Always strong, but never really OP, and nice to play against with both casual and competitive decks IMO.... Restrict wasn't even that hard to deal with.... I think that now that the issue with the list has cooled down a bit in my head, I can understand better why they hit decks so hard... they have had times in the past when decks (Dragon Rulers, TeleDAD, Blackwings, etc) have been hit for multiple formats because the people in charge of the list thought they had removed enough from them to kill them, only to come back out in new variants.... I suppose they wanted to not fall into that this time. Ironically, this is the one time when they are allowed to fix those things on the spot, although I also get why they don't... it'd be more salt inducing if they saw a new variant popping out and shooting it down right then and there, it'd be like the monthly ARG change..... lol I still would want it to go back to any number that's not 0 though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2015 We might not need to wait for a "next format" actually, since DMoC reprint comes out this Friday, and they DID say they wouldn't attach themselves to fixed dates for lists in TCG anymore, so I'm half-expecting a patching up of the banlist as soon as they release this, because they probably didn't want to unban DMoC before the reprint to avoid the complications of new people having to go through a confusing sudden change in effect to what they were using for the week or two before the product was officially released... better just make sure the effect used in legal play is the one they have prepared for said reprint. It would probably not be considered a "new format" list if it did that, and if it doesn't do that, they wouldn't be taking full advantage of their statement about "we update whenever we want to from now on"... I'm really hoping so as well. It's a little sad TCG doesn't have super poly at 1, but we all know the power of Raigeki Dweller right? With cards like Volcanic engine you can really allow shaddolls to shine even past the Construct ban. The reason why Conny and DMoC were so potent together was you could summon DMoC on the opponents turn and go for a Felgrand or so making Dark Renewal live once again. Not sure if any rank 8 plays will work anymore, but I have seen level eater + Water doll if for nothing else easy conversion into Winda but Kykoo is legit regardless of DMoC in trapdolls Super hopeful you're right here sleepy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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