Halubaris Maphotika Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 https://archive.is/aZY9Q As the internet grows, the potential of certain harassment grows as well. When it comes to combating the concept, it can become a pesky grey area. The article details certain ideas expressed by noted tech workers on how we can achieve this. So YCM, how do you feel about their ideas? Do you have any different or better ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Also, jeeeeesus that website looks like it was created by an amalgamation of tumblr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted November 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Also, jeeeeesus that website looks like it was created by an amalgamation of tumblr.I wish I could just use this tweet for every argument over censorship. Alas, it gets redundant. Still, he hits the nail on the coffin. Probably why he can't go to Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Also, jeeeeesus that website looks like it was created by an amalgamation of tumblr. Why.Yes, let us ignore the communicative and advertising power of the Internet that practically drives society as of today. I am sure these people were not doing anything important on it to begin with.Let us also ignore the very real threat posed through harassers getting personal information on these people, in which case it would not just be on the screen anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 Also, jeeeeesus that website looks like it was created by an amalgamation of tumblr. Tyler, meet Amanda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted November 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 Tyler, meet Amanda. I would've used Leelah Alcorn as an example but sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 There are too many examples. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shalltear Bloodfallen Posted November 8, 2015 Report Share Posted November 8, 2015 I would've used Leelah Alcorn as an example but sure. Leelah Alcorn isnt exactly applicable here, atleast if you ask me, because from what I've been told it had very little to do with actuall online harassment and instead it was more a more physical transphobia (such as instead of allowing her to transition she was sent to a Christian-based conversion "therapy", and I use the world therapy loosely because it's not what it is). Regardless, there are way to many appropriate examples to make, particularly among certain communities since it seems to make people more susceptible to go for the throat. And as I've seen it more and more lately how yes, there are people out there that if you tick them off even a little they will spare no expense to have you destroyed by exposing your personal information to the world and harassing you IRL, I'm convinced this is a funking problem and it needs to stop.Those who claim differently are playing ignorant, or have yet to see just how vicious some can be when they set out to make your life a living hell in whatever way they can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Also, jeeeeesus that website looks like it was created by an amalgamation of tumblr.That argument is only really valid towards less intense harassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 The Tyler tweet is satirical guys. But yeah, online harassment is bad, but usually when people try to "solve" it, it just involves more harassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 The Tyler tweet is satirical guys. Yes we know that, but there are people who genuinely believe in that argument so its worth mentioning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted November 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Yes we know that, but there are people who genuinely believe in that argument so its worth mentioning.I do simply because I don't believe in it and because I feel a lot of verbal abuse is subjective. I don't ever tell victims to "suck it up" or anything like that, and I fight harassment and abuse to a degree, but I disagree with the concept and agree with Tyler in a literal context. There are a lot of people who agree with me, but hopefully they support people who suffer and don't damn them based on that opinion. And I don't think that agreeing with Tyler, and helping victims makes me a hypocrite either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susie Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I do simply because I don't believe in it and because I feel a lot of verbal abuse is subjective. I don't ever tell victims to "suck it up" or anything like that, and I fight harassment and abuse to a degree, but I disagree with the concept and agree with Tyler in a literal context. There are a lot of people who agree with me, but hopefully they support people who suffer and don't damn them based on that opinion. And I don't think that agreeing with Tyler, and helping victims makes me a hypocrite either.I still do say that it really depends on how severe it is. If its just simple verbal abuse from one or two people then just press the ignore, block, delete report etc. button. But if you go through the sheet that someone like Retaeh Parsons went through then its not really a matter of just leaving the computer screen. And no youre not a hypocrite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 It isn't satirical at all. Tyler the Creator isn't portraying a caricature of stupidity while believing the opposite a la Jonathan Swift/Stephen Colbert. He is tweeting exactly how he feels: that anyone who'd cry foul at online harassment is ridiculous and should be laughed at for the sake of people who meet whatever his criteria are for having "actually" been hurt. Cyber bullying involves libel and/or betrayal, both hurt. I've taken enough punches to tell you that what hurts most about being assaulted is not the temporary kinetic pain/numbness, but the implication that you deserve that rather than acceptance and recognition for having suffered enough as it is, being human. Some are so wrapped up in their own pain that they can't even acknowledge those who bleed with them. People like this are the truly isolated. I cry for Tyler, f*ggot that I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Yeah if that's meant to be satire that's still messed up, seeing as...It's abusive itself. I can imagine anyone dealing with sheet seeing this is not going to think "Oh it's just a joke" especially with how aggressive and out of context it would appear to most people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 It's part of his shtick. His lyrics are like that too. Shock value and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Tenta, with all due respect, there're plenty of better musicians out there. Stop making excuses for this one's childishness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted November 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Tenta, with all due respect, there're plenty of better musicians out there. Stop making excuses for this one's childishness. Doesn't mean I can't like his music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Tenta, with all due respect, there're plenty of better musicians out there. Stop making excuses for this one's childishness. With all due respect, I've never even listened to him. I'm just stating the obvious. He's being artsy. Doesn't mean you have to agree with his level of vulgarity or like it, but he doesn't literately mean what he says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~~ Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Thanks Halu for sharing this article with us! I quite enjoyed reading it, though I did skim the last few paragraphs. :-\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~ P O L A R I S ~ Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Doesn't mean I can't like his music. Indeed. All I can really do is pity you. With all due respect, I've never even listened to him. However you familiarized yourself with his schtick to the point of looking the other way at "If You Get Cyber Bullied, You're A baka And Deserve It." is your business. I'm just stating the obvious. He's being artsy. No you aren't. No he isn't, if you think he is being artsy you are misinformed. Calling hateful messages on Twitter "art" is sticking a rose in an a**hole and calling it a vase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halubaris Maphotika Posted November 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Thanks Halu for sharing this article with us! I quite enjoyed reading it, though I did skim the last few paragraphs. :-\You're welcome! Hope this discussion has been to your benefit somehow! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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