vla1ne Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 spellbooks don't rely on just 1 card, it's just that 1 card in the deck makes every other good card in the deck even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 spellbooks don't rely on just 1 card, it's just that 1 card in the deck makes every other good card in the deck even better.tbh spellbooks would end up relying on a conjunction of fate and judgment to keep up with the meta, but judgment is such a powerful card on its own that it'd make keeping up fairly easy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 see the thing about that is that spellbooks can do exactly the same s*** with judgment set fate is more deadly than solemn because it can hit anything at any time and can only be outplayed by an empty fieldbut now i'm getting conflicting messages from you. first you say jowgen is op enough to warrent banning if this card was unbanned, but then you say summoning jowgen won't be enough to sway a game (in regards to your reaction to the azneyes video)??Nah, I fully believe that Judgment and Jowgen as they both are can't exist in the same format. Maybe I wasn't clear, but my idea was that without the Jowgen end summon books lack something to hold their advantage until the next phase. I mean sure you can summon maiden or the kind and use fate on the first threat, but decks now days aren't restricted to just one summon and if the ss lock is gone, basically no deck is It's just a theory I've been wanting to test ever since Gateway hit 2 and all it did was create a pretty fair tier 2 deck Like someone Nekroz Trish's you, sure you can fate it, but the card is still gonna remove your maiden and w/e important card you have in your grave. Maybe it might be too strong for TCG, that I'd be willing to concede after the Nov list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 "Special Summon blocking is healthy for the game. Special Summoning ees a seeckness. NOW, BROTHERS, JOIN HANDS WITH ME IN KILLING JOWGEN, THE BLOCKER OF SS, TO UNBAN A POWERFUL +X THAT SPECIAL SUMMONS ON THE CHEAP!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 "Special Summon blocking is healthy for the game. Special Summoning ees a seeckness. NOW, BROTHERS, JOIN HANDS WITH ME IN KILLING JOWGEN, THE BLOCKER OF SS, TO UNBAN A POWERFUL +X THAT SPECIAL SUMMONS ON THE CHEAP!"There's a fine difference between Vanity and Summon Jowgen set Fate, Wisdom >_> One's pretty easy to work around the other no so much (assuming that's what you're referencing) It's not gonna be a +x unless you're playing poorly like Azne. He burnt the wisdom for IDK, and shouldn't have burnt that fate. Set both, summon Maiden. Add 3-4. Now day's that's not even gonna be all the strong since Deck like Maje just chain their spells to Fate and tribute for cost leaving you no targets or something like Nekroz get the intended effect off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dementuo Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Nah, I fully believe that Judgment and Jowgen as they both are can't exist in the same format. Maybe I wasn't clear, but my idea was that without the Jowgen end summon books lack something to hold their advantage until the next phase. I mean sure you can summon maiden or the kind and use fate on the first threat, but decks now days aren't restricted to just one summon and if the ss lock is gone, basically no deck is It's just a theory I've been wanting to test ever since Gateway hit 2 and all it did was create a pretty fair tier 2 deck Like someone Nekroz Trish's you, sure you can fate it, but the card is still gonna remove your maiden and w/e important card you have in your grave. Maybe it might be too strong for TCG, that I'd be willing to concede after the Nov listif it's something you want to test then test it??? but for real though, if you're playing against nekroz you summon kycooreally, there's a lot of flexible spellcasters that can help you sustain through turn 1 "Special Summon blocking is healthy for the game. Special Summoning ees a seeckness. NOW, BROTHERS, JOIN HANDS WITH ME IN KILLING JOWGEN, THE BLOCKER OF SS, TO UNBAN A POWERFUL +X THAT SPECIAL SUMMONS ON THE CHEAP!"pmuch thisThere's a fine difference between Vanity and Summon Jowgen set Fate, Wisdom >_> One's pretty easy to work around the other no so much (assuming that's what you're referencing) It's not gonna be a +x unless you're playing poorly like Azne. He burnt the wisdom for IDK, and shouldn't have burnt that fate. Set both, summon Maiden. Add 3-4. Now day's that's not even gonna be all the strong since Deck like Maje just chain their spells to Fate and tribute for cost leaving you no targets or something like Nekroz get the intended effect off.yes exactly, fate is not an easy card to work around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 tbh spellbooks would end up relying on a conjunction of fate and judgment to keep up with the meta, but judgment is such a powerful card on its own that it'd make keeping up fairly easyFair point, but by good i mean that the cards spellbooks have, even without judgment are pretty much good enough for tier 2, even with no judgment. tower is amazing for recycling and drawing, secrets is the one of the best archtype searchers konami has ever made, fate has amazing removal, master... copies pretty much everything else in the deck, organization can chain to towers for a pseudo duality effect with no restrictions, star hall is GB Colosseum on roids, power is a booster + searcher, eternity helps make fate's cost laughable, and they all link together in one deck. the cards, individually are good, and when placed into an archtype, they are more restricted, but no less good. judgment gives you free access to all of those for no cost, and replenishes you for over extension. so should it come back? no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 if it's something you want to test then test it??? but for real though, if you're playing against nekroz you summon kycooreally, there's a lot of flexible spellcasters that can help you sustain through turn 1 pmuch thisyes exactly, fate is not an easy card to work aroundReally don't think Maiden set wisdom fate will be that potent of a play anymore. But I guess I'm pretty much in the minority here with that. It's been tested pretty repeatedly, s*** just can't hold up to the likes of Monarchs and pepe ANYWAY, Sorry, not really interested in antagonizing anyone. Had an idea, shared, people didn't like, I'm sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 I think a better option is giving Prophecy/Spellbooks a suite of new support that boosts the deck without concentrating most of its power in Fate and Judgment. That really depends on Konami though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 I think a better option is giving Prophecy/Spellbooks a suite of new support that boosts the deck without concentrating most of its power in Fate and Judgment. That really depends on Konami though.Isn't the set lore locked? Judgment would be tarot card XX, so that leaves 2 I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Maybe they can make Spellbook of Evoker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Maybe they can make Spellbook of Evoker?Nope, I was wrong, only one card after Judgment unless you count the fool as 22. And they released world. The only thing Spellbooks can get as support would be J-Day back or errated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Arcana All accounted for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 That's what we said about Infernoids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 That's what we said about Infernoids.The difference is there are only 22 tarot cards and they're all accounted for. There were more demons to make Infernoids work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Honestly, if the only thing this card could summon was freaking Boo Koo, it will still be ridiculously broken. Worst designed card in the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Honestly, if the only thing this card could summon was freaking Boo Koo, it will still be ridiculously broken. Worst designed card in the last few years.Pendulum Wizard Noden Ptolo Flame Mascot Ariadne few others's give it a run for it's money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Pendulum Wizard Noden Ptolo Flame Mascot Ariadne few others's give it a run for it's moneyNeither of those cards are broken on their own, they need to be paired with another card to be abused. That aside, when/if PePe (at full power) comes aout in the tcg i will like to see this card as an experiment (kinda like snatch steal was) to see how well it does. The former goes +10 and is able to do it again next turn (that is if there is a next turn), and if somehow you clean the board, the back up scales are already in the hand ready to be used. But i dont think the card should come off now. If that happens jogwen isnt the card to hit, but other spellbooks (fate just came out to 3 lol). A +5 from a single card is not and will never be healthy or a well designed card for the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Should we have a .jpg that warns of a TEW thread now? Judgment was designed to be gamebreaking from the start. No if, ands or buts will change the fact that being Banned is the only place for the card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Should we have a .jpg that warns of a TEW thread now? Judgment was designed to be gamebreaking from the start. No if, ands or buts will change the fact that being Banned is the only place for the card.I'm sorry. Never realized it was a crime to suggest a swap. Bite me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YCMScum Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Should we have a .jpg that warns of a TEW thread now? Judgment was designed to be gamebreaking from the start. No if, ands or buts will change the fact that being Banned is the only place for the card. I tried, I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Isn't the set lore locked? Judgment would be tarot card XX, so that leaves 2 I guess The Major Arcana are all accounted for, but no, the lore isn't locked. They can get more non-Arcana Spellbooks or even Minor Arcana cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 The Major Arcana are all accounted for, but no, the lore isn't locked. They can get more non-Arcana Spellbooks or even Minor Arcana cards.They can get more random monsters that don't suck aswell hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted November 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 I tried, I guess?I got to say that's really well done And a M5 song (even tho it's the worse one in V) +1 m8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted November 3, 2015 Report Share Posted November 3, 2015 Why are we saying Plushfire is anywhere near as broken as this sheet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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