Future Fusion [Errata]

[Dragulas]

 

Original effect:

 

Reveal 1 Fusion Monster in your Extra Deck and send, from your Main Deck to the Graveyard, the Fusion Material Monsters that are listed on that Fusion Monster Card. During your 2nd Standby Phase after this card's activation, Special Summon 1 of that Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck and target it with this card. (This Special Summon is treated as a Fusion Summon.) When this card leaves the field, destroy that target. When that target is destroyed, destroy this card.

 

Five headed dragon, chimeratech (back in the days)

Potential Abuses today: Infernoids, shaddolls (dead without construct), frihgtfurs, heroes(?)

 

Errata: 

 

Reveal 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck. During your 2nd Standby Phase after this card's activation: Fusion Summon 1 of that Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck using monsters from your Main Deck as Fusion Materials and target it with this card. When this card leaves the field, destroy that target. When that target is destroyed, destroy this card.

 

Now the fusion and dumping the materials happen both at the second turn, so if you want to fill your graveyard, you will have to wait.

 

It will still help some old fusion decks

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Very fair.

 

Honest don't even need the three or less, but better safe than sorry

[ENMaker]

This would only serve to make it crap as would any errata. Just leave it be for the love of god.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

This would only serve to make it crap as would any errata. Just leave it be for the love of god.

How the f*** is this crap? I don't agree with the only 3 restriction, but if you wanna mill 5 dragons, wait a few turn..god damn it.

 

 

Not everything has to be Cyber Dragon Infinity broken.

[ENMaker]

How the f*** is this crap? I don't agree with the only 3 restriction, but if you wanna mill 5 dragons, wait a few turn..god damn it.

 

 

Not everything has to be Cyber Dragon Infinity broken.

Non-searchable 4 turn MST/Castel/Anything-able generic Shaddoll Fusion is pretty crap. It's way too slow, it'd never ever be let resolve.

[Spinny]

How the f*** is this crap? I don't agree with the only 3 restriction, but if you wanna mill 5 dragons, wait a few turn..god damn it.

 

 

Not everything has to be Cyber Dragon Infinity broken.

Because it takes 2 turns to do and is really bad temporary advantage.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Because it takes 2 turns to do and is really bad temporary advantage.

Gold Sarc takes two turns to resolve. It's still limited is it not?

 

If you want painful choice, you better be willing to work for it. What is with people and wanting everything on damn silver platter?

 

Just remove the mill restriction, infernoids will have to go exterio+lilith+this to get it safe for two turns, wont even be run in TCG, would clean up traditional format, and help fun casual decks, and Dragons.

 

So castel? Sure you went -1 to get rid of a card. Fine. MST? +0

 

I don't see where I'm losing. 

[ihop]

Gold Sarc takes two turns to resolve. It's still limited is it not?

 

What the funk are you actually serious

[mido9]

Gold Sarc takes two turns to resolve. It's still limited is it not?

 

If you want painful choice, you better be willing to work for it. What is with people and wanting everything on damn silver platter?

Gold sarc got limited because it was just a ROTA for dragons with D-Rulers or for niche use as a foolish for banish pile. It's a crappy card in everything else.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

What the f*** are you actually serious

about what? You can't just drop an open ended question like that.

 

What would be the best errata would be 3 or less monster +hard OPT.

 

 

Gold sarc got limited because it was just a ROTA for dragons with D-Rulers or for niche use as a foolish for banish pile. It's a crappy card in everything else.

 

Rulers have been banned in both formats for what? 2 formats? Why is sarc still limited? Not to mention the crazy plays with Necroface the card does

[ENMaker]

Gold Sarc can't get MST'd into doing nothing.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Gold Sarc can't get MST'd into doing nothing.

ROTA cannot get MST'd into doing nothing BUT GATEWAY CAN.

 

Gateway less broke than ROTA?

[Spinny]

Rulers have been banned in both formats for what? 2 formats? Why is sarc still limited? Not to mention the crazy plays with Necroface the card does

Because konami dont want to take it off the banlist for money purposes lol

ROTA cannot get MST'd into doing nothing BUT GATEWAY CAN.

 

Gateway less broke than ROTA?

ARE YOU EVEN SERIOUS RIGHT NOW, GATEWAY IS MONSTER REBORN YOU NITWIT.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Because konami dont want to take it off the banlist for money purposes lol

ARE YOU EVEN SERIOUS RIGHT NOW, GATEWAY IS MONSTER REBORN YOU NITWIT.

Nobody uses the 6 effect. It's used for the 4 effect, which searches out Six Sams=ROTA. More Vulnerability, less generic, higher risk, higher reward.

 

same with Sarc vs Errated FuFu

 

(ROTA:Gateway = Sarc:FuFu)

 

Now what does this being banned do? Oh right, makes Trad toxic. Might as well errata it and clean up that format

 

The best errata is mill at start, but only up to 3. Hard OPT so Heros can't mill Zeph and Mist Grab Stratos, summon, summon bubble. Zeph, mill 2 more. Anyway the Brio Plague play doesn't even work anymore. Could you Dewloren? Sure, which is why you hard OPT it

[ENMaker]

Erratas for the sake of traditional is such a terrible argument I'm going to assume it's a joke.

[Spinny]

Nobody uses the 6 effect. It's used for the 4 effect, which searches out Six Sams=ROTA. More Vulnerability, less generic, higher risk

comparing it to ROTA is still awful. Since this isnt even OPT.

 

Im giving up on this thread before everyone gets warned for some reason.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Erratas for the sake of traditional is such a terrible argument I'm going to assume it's a joke.

 

Errata should be done cause having a 70 card banlist is toxic. And there's no future in which fufu can return as it (unlike something like Construct)

 

But cleaning up traditional isn't a bad thing. That was just preemptive to the IHop's given question of "What does removing this from the list do"

 

comparing it to ROTA is still awful. Since this isnt even OPT.

 

It's significantly easier to stop. There's  a reason why Gateway is at 2 likely going to 3 while ROTA hasn't moved from one.

[ihop]

Honestly the line I quoted is one of the worst arguments I have seen in my time on YCM.

 

Let's go through the times Gold Sarc was used in a relevant deck over the last 5 years or so:

- To banish Coelecanth so you got to it just in time for your frog engine to be able to summon it

- When people believed Sangan triggered on being detached and people would use it to banish a monster and Leviair it back

- When it was used in Dragon Rulers to trigger banish effects (this is what it was limited for)

- In Ritual Beasts to give more stuff to tag into/an instant Wen target.

 

Now if you'll notice, the only time people actually used Gold Sarc to search something was when that something more or less guaranteed you winning the game. All the other times, including when it was limited, were because it's a Foolish Burial for the banish zone which, considering Foolish Burial is limited, makes a decent bit of sense. Gold Sarc to search is incredibly mediocre and is really only used when the card is Cold Wave or Coelecanth or something equally game-winning. 

 

That's not to mention the fact that Gold Sarc will actually guarantee you the card you want in two turns and isn't reliant on your opponent not having something like an MST or 2 Level 4s within the next 2 turns. Yeah, you probably will win the game in 2 turns but the chances of you, being a card down, straight-up losing in 2 turns or, much more likely, being unable to stop them having some way to pop it is so high that I would never bother with this because it's just a sitting duck that doesn't stop the opponent doing anything and will more often than not just die to "spare" backrow destruction particularly as you'd play it in the sort of decks that have few backrow anyway.

 

I know I've kinda jumped on a single point but if you're consistently going to make outrageous arguments please make sure your justification makes sense in at least some way.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Honestly the line I quoted is one of the worst arguments I have seen in my time on YCM.

 

Let's go through the times Gold Sarc was used in a relevant deck over the last 5 years or so:

- To banish Coelecanth so you got to it just in time for your frog engine to be able to summon it

- When people believed Sangan triggered on being detached and people would use it to banish a monster and Leviair it back

- When it was used in Dragon Rulers to trigger banish effects (this is what it was limited for)

- In Ritual Beasts to give more stuff to tag into/an instant Wen target.

 

Now if you'll notice, the only time people actually used Gold Sarc to search something was when that something more or less guaranteed you winning the game. All the other times, including when it was limited, were because it's a Foolish Burial for the banish zone which, considering Foolish Burial is limited, makes a decent bit of sense. Gold Sarc to search is incredibly mediocre and is really only used when the card is Cold Wave or Coelecanth or something equally game-winning. 

 

That's not to mention the fact that Gold Sarc will actually guarantee you the card you want in two turns and isn't reliant on your opponent not having something like an MST or 2 Level 4s within the next 2 turns. Yeah, you probably will win the game in 2 turns but the chances of you, being a card down, straight-up losing in 2 turns or, much more likely, being unable to stop them having some way to pop it is so high that I would never bother with this because it's just a sitting duck that doesn't stop the opponent doing anything and will more often than not just die to "spare" backrow destruction particularly as you'd play it in the sort of decks that have few backrow anyway.

 

I know I've kinda jumped on a single point but if you're consistently going to make outrageous arguments please make sure your justification makes sense in at least some way.

Well letting Juano's errata resolve would pretty much guarantee you game anyway. And being able to dump any number of card into the grave is significantly better than being able to search out one card. 

 

I'm not arguing this card is amazing post errata, merely that it's not s***. You can summon Cairnagorn or Stardust in relevant decks and protect this card. It's honestly not that difficult to keep a card live for two turns. Ravine even in Ruler prime could stay alive multiple turns (yes I know that Ravine give you advantage immediately) what was different there was that people would summon the Stardusts and protect that card. It's not unreasonable to play like Enguin is making it out to be. 

 

The point with Gold Sarc is that a time delay on a powerful effect does not instantly make a card s***. This card was made to be fusion support not mill support and his errata, while not ideal, does that to a degree

[ihop]

You can summon Cairnagorn or Stardust in relevant decks and protect this card.

 

Yeah, but neither is terribly easy to summon nor is either infallible. Both are fairly weak monsters and if that thing's really such a threat that people want to get rid of it people will not have a hard time getting rid of first the Cairn/Stardust followed by the FuFu.

 

 

Ravine even Ruler prime could stay alive multiple turns (yes I know that Ravine give you advantage immediately) what was different there was that people would summon the Stardusts and protect that card.

 

Castel didn't exist in Ruler format ffs

 

 

The point with Gold Sarc is that a time delay on a powerful effect does not instantly make a card sheet. 

 

And the point that my last post was making is that the time delay on Gold Sarc means that particular effect is so irrelevant that if it didn't put a card from deck into a more accessible zone it would in fact be sheet, like any time delay on a powerful effect is. If you want to see what Gold Sarc would be like if it was like you were describing, see Different Dimension Capsule.

 

 

This card was made to be fusion support not mill support and his errata, while not ideal, does that to a degree

 

I mean I think erratas are stupid as funk anyway and that this section is constantly clogged up by them (this is like, the third thread discussing more or less the same errata to Future Fusion), but if you really want to errata this card just limit it to specific monsters listed on fusions which would make it possibly playable but still pretty sucky. This card is more or less impossible to errata to the point where it's usable but nor broken/potentially broken because an instant mass Foolish will always be amazing but anything that needs to sit for 2 turns to do anything will always suck.

[ENMaker]

I can't think of a deck that would be bothered or able to both use this and make something to protect it, and there is no fusion in the game that it can summon which is worth such an investment anyway.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Yeah, but neither is terribly easy to summon nor is either infallible. Both are fairly weak monsters and if that thing's really such a threat that people want to get rid of it people will not have a hard time getting rid of first the Cairn/Stardust followed by the FuFu.

 

 

Castel didn't exist in Ruler format ffs

 

 

And the point that my last post was making is that the time delay on Gold Sarc means that particular effect is so irrelevant that if it didn't put a card from deck into a more accessible zone it would in fact be s***, like any time delay on a powerful effect is. If you want to see what Gold Sarc would be like if it was like you were describing, see Different Dimension Capsule.

 

 

I mean I think erratas are stupid as f*** anyway and that this section is constantly clogged up by them (this is like, the third thread discussing more or less the same errata to Future Fusion), but if you really want to errata this card just limit it to specific monsters listed on fusions which would make it possibly playable but still pretty sucky. This card is more or less impossible to errata to the point where it's usable but nor broken/potentially broken because an instant mass Foolish will always be amazing but anything that needs to sit for 2 turns to do anything will always suck.

 

1) That's true, but it's a hassle to do so. The main decks I see FuFu being used in are Dragons in which both cards are quite easy to make. You're opponent has to invest in removing Stardust/Cairn, and THEN work on removing Future. Will it be able to beat m&m's that can s*** out 3-4 xyz's in a turn? Like not, but it should set most decks back a fair bit. Like if my opponent wants to Castel my Dust then MST my future, I'm down for that level of removal on his part.

 

2) My error, I should have specified. I meant the April Ruler format OCG side 3 Ravine. It wasn't weird to see the same Ravine live multiple turns. 

 

3) Yeah, I get the argument now. Wasn't a great point.

 

4) Ruling it to work like Prisma is simple and easy. It would basically sit in BEWD decks at that point. Errata-ing it to mill three immediately or not have a restriction in 2 turns works. Do people not realize this card was meant to be fusion support? Card could go to three easily at that point. I'm arguing it's not anywhere close to unusable with a time delay. Why is capsul basically unusable? You banish a key puzzle piece, and you literally only have Necroface as a way to "get it back" if things go poorly. All you lose if FuFu get's mst'ed is the reveal of the Fusion monster. 

 

 

I can't think of a deck that would be bothered or able to both use this and make something to protect it, and there is no fusion in the game that it can summon which is worth such an investment anyway.

 

 

Five Head for the mill 5, Infernoids can make a pretty easy mill everything play if they have the Stein-Lilith play up. 

 

Reveal 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck and target it with this card. During your 2nd Standby Phase after this card's activation: Fusion summon 1 of that Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck using monsters from your Main Deck as Fusion Materials. When this card leaves the field, destroy that target. When that target is destroyed, destroy this card.

 

Honestly that would be the best errata. Worse case you get to send a five head to your grave for fodder

[ENMaker]

Five Head for the mill 5, Infernoids can make a pretty easy mill everything play if they have the Stein-Lilith play up. 

 

His errata limits it to 3 materials or less.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

His errata limits it to 3 materials or less.

And I've said from the start that I disagree with that limitation have I not?

 

THE VERY FIRST POST

 

 

Very fair.

 

Honest don't even need the three or less, but better safe than sorry

 

 

Why do I say better safe than sorry? Cause that's what Konami does. Did CED need to be nomi as well? Nah, but they will overkill the errata just to be 100% sure

[ENMaker]

I didn't say his errata with respect to TEW's disagreements, I was speaking solely with reference to the errata in the OP, which would not enable either of the plays you suggested and lead me to make the comment about there being none worth it.