Cold Wave

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Heavy Storm creates ugly plays with Skill Drain and Pendulums

 

Duster while not having those downsides has no downsides

 

Trunande is funking broken and would break pendulums a thousand times more than heavy

 

which leaves us with the last of this series of unfortunate events

 

Cold Wave

 

 

This card can only be activated at the start of Main Phase 1. Until your next turn, you and your opponent cannot play or Set any Spell or Trap Cards.

 

Why is this card the fairest of the four in my opinion. Well for one, you have to activate at the start of your MP1, it affects both players and does unduly give you a + over the opponent like Duster.

 

Neither player can set pendulum scales. I don't see it otk the opponent anymore than Duster would. Won't be as much a staple as duster or heavy.

 

With Twin Twister coming out, OCG (and TCG) should have no more need for mass removal.

 

Thank being said, thought on this being unbanned? It's literally a more strict Denko that's fairly balanced unlike the Sekka

[ihop]

lol WHAT

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

lol WHAT

Tell me why it's more broken than Duster or Denko then

[ihop]

Because they can't play backrow during their next turn.

[BlackBeartic]

This card is denko sekka on crack.

 

there's no way in hell is this more fair than feather duster.

[Aman Indra]

It would be funny as hell if this would come back at 3 lol

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Because they can't play backrow during their next turn.

 

Player A sets 3 backrow

Player B dusters, player a loses his backrow

player A can set new backrow next turn

 

It's a debate of would your go - or be stunned

[Lizardonx]

This card is denko sekka on crack.

 

there's no way in hell is this more fair than feather duster.

You can't play your own pendulums under the effect of cold wave though. You can under denko.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

You can't play your own pendulums under the effect of cold wave though. You can under denko.

It's even more fair then? You can't go wave, scales, summon 5 win. Wave is incredibly fair

[Synchronized]

No.

 

Wave is much much worse. If you play it right it almost guarantees a win. Should never come back.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

No.

 

Wave is much much worse. If you play it right it almost guarantees a win. Should never come back.

Explain that. It puts the opponent in the exact same position as HFD except doesn't kill their backrow in the process. 

[Blake]

Explain that. It puts the opponent in the exact same position as HFD except doesn't kill their backrow in the process. 

They can't activate scales after, either.

 

In addition, if you use it, say, T1, you get 2 free turns to do whatever the funk you want with monsters, and you still get the first chance to play S/T.

 

You can't play your own pendulums under the effect of cold wave though. You can under denko.

While not something that will eternally be true, name one Pendulum Deck that plays Denko.

[ihop]

Explain that. It puts the opponent in the exact same position as HFD except doesn't kill their backrow in the process. 

 

How about the fact that HFD should be banned as well?

 

While not something that will eternally be true, name one Pendulum Deck that plays Denko.

 

Not to derail your argument but Denko's a pretty common side in Towers Turbo.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

They can't activate scales after, either.

 

In addition, if you use it, say, T1, you get 2 free turns to do whatever the f*** you want with monsters, and you still get the first chance to play S/T.

 

While not something that will eternally be true, name one Pendulum Deck that plays Denko.

Hmm, but it wouldn't + nearly as much as Harpies. Wave's power rapidly erodes after T1 whereas HFD would stay pretty static throughout the whole duel. I just feel wave has a much larger set back the player in question where as Harpies has none. Preferably, they hit Mascot and unban Heavy, but wave seems like the next best alternative 

 

 

How about the fact that HFD should be banned as well?

 

Agreed, should have been banned for Heavy ages ago, except Konami dun goofed and make Flame Mascot

[Blake]

Hmm, but it wouldn't + nearly as much as Harpies. Wave's power rapidly erodes after T1 whereas HFD would stay pretty static throughout the whole duel. I just feel wave has a much larger set back the player in question where as Harpies has none. Preferably, they hit Mascot and unban Heavy, but wave seems like the next best alternative 

This is a problem with your line of thought.

 

Being able to + does NOT change the fact that other cards are good.

 

RotA is better than a Normal Summon only searcher, unless said search is searchable. One of these is a +1, the other is a +0.

 

Cold Wave doesn't erode as the game goes on. It still very much allows you to play past them and make cards to punish their extension without fear (BRD, Exciton, etc.) and doesn't need a turn like Trap Stun. Not to mention Book of Moon.

 

It may not strictly plus, but it is an extremely powerful form of stun.

[ihop]

I mean I can probably get on board with the argument that this is less broken than Duster, I just don't understand the jump in logic to the fact that this means Cold Wave should be unbanned. I mean, Snatch Steal is less broken than Card of Safe Return but that in no way justifies bringing it back.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

This is a problem with your line of thought.

 

Being able to + does NOT change the fact that other cards are good.

 

RotA is better than a Normal Summon only searcher, unless said search is searchable. One of these is a +1, the other is a +0.

 

Cold Wave doesn't erode as the game goes on. It still very much allows you to play past them and make cards to punish their extension without fear (BRD, Exciton, etc.) and doesn't need a turn like Trap Stun. Not to mention Book of Moon.

 

It may not strictly plus, but it is an extremely powerful form of stun.

Well what do you think is the best of the four then? People should not be able to wipe their opponents backrow while still maintaining their own set 4. Heavy used to take thinking to use properly that's lacking with Duster was my thinking. About Exciton and BRD

 

Duster the opponents backrow, and you can still BRD with ease. Exciton you can argue that wave would let you keep the condition active, but it really seems like Heavy is the most fair of the 4, if we remove some of the crazy pendulum decks from the equation 

 

 

I mean I can probably get on board with the argument that this is less broken than Duster, I just don't understand the jump in logic to the fact that this means Cold Wave should be unbanned. I mean, Snatch Steal is less broken than Card of Safe Return but that in no way justifies bringing it back.

 

 

When you have the trapline up of something like OCG, you do need a mass removal to make people play conservatively or invest in something like Avian or Void Oger to stop a wipe. Which leads to the question, of the 4 cards available, which would be the most balanced for the game. I chose Wave due to it being harder to use in Pendulums than Heavy, but that's up for debate as with Black's example with Exciton 

 

I swear the only three decks that I've seen turn heavy's disadvantage into advantage is

 

Qliphorts with double Shock

BA with turning off Skill Drain when they want to

M&m's triggering mascot and gaining the ability to go all out

 

All three of these are problematic Meta decks on their own, limit Mascot, limit Heavy, ban and eventually errata duster to require 1-2 harpie ladies on field to work 

[TF2_The_Scout]

Can you still activate the effects of spell/traps that are already face-up under Cold Wave? The wording makes it seem so.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Can you still activate the effects of spell/traps that are already face-up under Cold Wave? The wording makes it seem so.

Yeh, so like a face up Ravine? Sure