Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 You just compared Stalin to Sanders. So then, by this same logic, Trumps is equivalent to Hitler, yes? And if saving the U.S. upwards of 5 trillion dollars is killing it, I'd hate to see the far end of that.No, I was noting that Socialism will NEVER work and the only way Communism will work is for someone like Stalin to have a singular vision. Hate to break it to you, but under Stalin, "corruption" wasn't really a thing. He made Russia in a super power, he got the job done. Sander will not. Where exactly do you get this idea from? I mean first of all for communism to work you kinda need someone in charge who isn't going to take advantage of the people...or in other words the opposite of what you said. Also you want us to "aggressively eradicate" and yet you are saying the next holocaust will start because Sanders...won't aggressively eradicate them? You...do know what the holocaust was right? You see scarecrow I see a dancing machine ;) Nah, for communism to work, you can't have someone like Brezhnev or Yeltsin, the leader can be brutal, as long as he has a singular vision that works for the country's greatness and isn't busy filling his pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 All I'm getting here is hypocrisy (calling them barbaric and then saying you need to horribly destroy them) and potential racism. So I'm just gonna stop paying attention to your posts here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 No, I was noting that Socialism will NEVER work and the only way Communism will work is for someone like Stalin to have a singular vision. Hate to break it to you, but under Stalin, "corruption" wasn't really a thing. He made Russia in a super power, he got the job done. Sander will not. Nah, for communism to work, you can't have someone like Brezhnev or Yeltsin, the leader can be brutal, as long as he has a singular vision that works for the country's greatness and isn't busy filling his pockets. You also need a spine, which Khrushchev lacked. Said personality wouldn't fly in the US since we're too cuddly cute cute here, political correctness and other half-assed BS Israel is surrounded by hostile forces, if Sanders wants the Saudi's to deal with problems there, all we're gonna get is a bunch of people attempting to gang rape Israel. Enough is f***ing enough. They're barbaric, the human rights problems needs to end. Salt the ground, torch the oil fields, heads, spike, walls, clean it out. My only concern at this point is Israel and preventing another WW2 Holocaust, for a Jewish man to say let the Saudi Army fight and clean up is funking disgusting. I have no faith in that man. So, what you're saying is--and correct me if I'm wrong--in order to prevent mass chaos, we should involve ourselves in a war within a war, so that we can prevent war from breaking out? I could be misunderstanding, so I'm all for getting a bit more information. And if I remember the debate last night (night before?) Sanders said, "Use coalitions. Go to war only as a last result." His morals might be different, but to say a man doesn't have a spine because he won't go to war unless it's undeniably necessary, is lacking. A man's worth shouldn't be measured by his ability to fight, but his ability to get comprehensive results without having to lift a finger. And by the way, Bernie's faith should have very little to do with decisions that would endanger millions of lives. He's not Hitler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 So, what you're saying is--and correct me if I'm wrong--in order to prevent mass chaos, we should involve ourselves in a war within a war, so that we can prevent war from breaking out? I could be misunderstanding, so I'm all for getting a bit more information. And if I remember the debate last night (night before?) Sanders said, "Use coalitions. Go to war only as a last result." His morals might be different, but to say a man doesn't have a spine because he won't go to war unless it's undeniably necessary, is lacking. A man's worth shouldn't be measured by his ability to fight, but his ability to get comprehensive results without having to lift a finger. And by the way, Bernie's faith should have very little to do with decisions that would endanger millions of lives. He's not Hitler. You don't need a single American soldier on the ground. Localized. Serine. Attacks. Is real would be safe, those backwards, misogynistic, reactionaries would be dead. Will there be collateral. Sure, but those stuck in ISIS caliphate are gonna die one way or another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 You don't need a single American soldier on the ground. Localized. Serine. Attacks. Is real would be safe, those backwards, misogynistic, reactionaries would be dead. Will there be collateral. Sure, but those stuck in ISIS caliphate are gonna die one way or another That's what we're doing now, is it not? And I'm pretty sure Bernie's words were, "no boots on the ground." If we stay on this path, we can shut down the conflict without putting our people at harm. So I think we'll be just fine. It's all my opinion obvs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 That's what we're doing now, is it not? And I'm pretty sure Bernie's words were, "no boots on the ground." If we stay on this path, we can shut down the conflict without putting our people at harm. So I think we'll be just fine. It's all my opinion obvs.When the Berns is willing to drop sarin on the Caliphate, tell me. He won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 When the Berns is willing to drop serine on the Caliphate, tell me. He won't. Why because he doesn't want our boys in danger? I'm pretty damn sure that droppin mixtapes serine on these dudes is nothing Bernie wants to do. But he has said time again, "if it prevents war." I would think that indicates doing what is necessary to prevent full scale war and boots on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shalltear Bloodfallen Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 When the Berns is willing to drop serine on the Caliphate, tell me. He won't. Let me just chime in here and say there's a very legitamite reason he wont, nor would any other selfrespecting president.It's called the Chemical Weapon Convention. It's litterally outlawed to produce, stockpile, and most importantly utilize chemical weaponry. And all stockpile should have already been destroyed by 2007.Also since I find no trace that Serine is actually a viable weapon I'm assuming what you're trying to spell is Sarin, in which case I reffer to my earlier point even moreso. Now, as I'm picking up a strong aura of hypocrisy, bigotism, and racism, I'll stop paying attention to your arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Why because he doesn't want our boys in danger? I'm pretty damn sure that droppin mixtapes serine on these dudes is nothing Bernie wants to do. But he has said time again, "if it prevents war." I would think that indicates doing what is necessary to prevent full scale war and boots on the ground. Let me just chime in here and say there's a very legitamite reason he wont, nor would any other selfrespecting president.It's called the Chemical Weapon Convention. It's litterally outlawed to produce, stockpile, and most importantly utilise chemical weaponry. And all stockpile should have been destroyed by 2007. Also since I find no trace that Serine is actually a viable weapon I'm assuming what you're trying to spell is Sarin, in which case I reffer to my earlier point even moreso. Now, as I'm picking up a strong aura of hypocrisy, bigotism, and racism, I'll stop paying attention to your arguments.It's not bigotism to hate ISIS and want to make an example out of them. If you're really telling me that the US doesn't have a stockpile than IDK what to say. They don't fear us anymore, 9/11 showed us that, the US needs to show them that terror again. Sarin (apologies on Phone) kills quite well. But by all means, ignore me if you will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 On the bright side, not even the most bigoted of Republican candidates is as openly aggressive as TEW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicmemesbro Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 I believe that the US should go back to being isolationist like in the 30's. Waging wars and being a watchdog country shouldn't be the focus. The focus should be infrastructure. The public education system is terribly flawed with massive cutbacks. o_O what's with the communism comparison? I doubt Sanders will start some regime... Even compared to communist leaders throughout history, Sanders lacks the same type of behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shalltear Bloodfallen Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 It's not bigotism to hate ISIS and want to make an example out of them. If you're really telling me that the US doesn't have a stockpile than IDK what to say. They don't fear us anymore, 9/11 showed us that, the US needs to show them that terror again. Sarin (apologies on Phone) kills quite well. But by all means, ignore me if you will I dont care if the US has one. They're not supposed to.Even revealing a stockpile could drag your entire country into so much sheet in front of the UN that you'll never see the end of it.I wouldnt even imagine the reprecussions if the US actually chooses to drop Sarin gas to fight a war they got themselves involved in to begin with, as that act on its own would violate atleast the entirety of the Chemical Weapon Convention, and possibly lord knows how many else. And me calling you a namecalling you is not for your hatred of ISIS, its that you make no secret you'd kill whoever you have to, and violently, if it means taking down ISIS. And while I mean no disrespect towards the victims that died in 9/11, your country NEEDS to get the hell over that event, as lord knows how many more have already been killed in some feigned attempt at "vengance" for that attack alone. Please, for the love of god realise when enough is enough and THINK.Maybe you dont need to condemn an entire civilisation just because of what one terrorist group does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 And while I mean no disrespect towards the victims that died in 9/11, your country NEEDS to get the hell over that event, as lord knows how many more have already been killed in some feigned attempt at "vengance" for that attack alone. Please, for the love of god realise when enough is enough and THINK.Maybe you dont need to condemn an entire civilisation just because of what one terrorist group does. For the most part I can agree with you here. We went to war on false terms and a lot of funking lives were lost. Very little was accomplished at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shalltear Bloodfallen Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Just as a quick clarification as I may have spoken a bit too harshly. I'm not advocating for the lives that were lost in 9/11 to be forgotten.The event was a tragedy and those lost in it deserves to be remembered. What I'm saying is I wish the US would move on, since at this point most of those advocating for the war in the Middle East are using an event that happened more then 10 years ago, and all it's leading to is a never ending cycle where more and more blood is being spilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 your country NEEDS to get the hell over that event You're the same kinda person that says we need to get over the Holocaust. Honestly man, I don't think I can have a conversation with someone who so easily says we should "get over it"....this isn't some case of breaking your friends toy, they broke our pride that day. And damn right, there isn't a life that worth too much if it means eradicating those monster. Does that make me a bigot? No more than it make your a terrorist sympathizing with ISIS You just compared the 9/11 tragedy to the Holocaust. And then compared Haunter to an ISIS extremist terrorist while you made a statement regarding killing any and everyone to get to ISIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 To speak about the debate, I found the discussion of gun control, and Bernie's lack of heavy stance on it, to be very interedting. What does everyone else think about the subject and how it pertains to the coming election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 NRA too strong. Banning Assault Weapons is questionable, but it's kinda sad that there's even a debate about regular mental health check ups on guns owners I would honestly think having a gun fingerprinted to only fire with the owner and those he/she allows (like two spouse). There's no need for their three year old to fire a gun. That being said, I'm sure someone will cry about the lack of privacy in the case of finger matching guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 To speak about the debate, I found the discussion of gun control, and Bernie's lack of heavy stance on it, to be very interedting. What does everyone else think about the subject and how it pertains to the coming election? While I think we have more than past the point of needing tougher gun laws, it's not like it would make any difference. Especially if a Republican is elected into office especially since the gun lobby is very powerful. Heck, Trump and Carson have both echoed statements similar to what the NRA has said before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makο Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 All I got from the debate is that Bernie is pretty liberal, but apparently not so about gun control. Sounds like my kind of guy. Also, I can't be the only one here who is disturbed that someone is seriously, unironically suggesting the complete chemical saturation of a nation or two. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 All I got from the debate is that Bernie is pretty liberal, but apparently not so about gun control. Sounds like my kind of guy. Also, I can't be the only one here who is disturbed that someone is seriously, unironically suggesting the complete chemical saturation of a nation or two. What?Really wasn't what I was trying to suggest. It was more along the lines of, lets bomb Auschwitz, the poor souls there are already going to die. Might as well save the people on the train. Hence, lets gas ISIS controlled areas, since the people who dissent are already killed there. Regardless, Sarin breaks down really fast IIRC, so it was a bad idea. Being liberal isn't sander's problem, I just feel he's too passive. But I agree with Dead, we need to stop tryna be the global police keeper, retreat behind our borders and make our nation the greatest again, Infrastructure etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 To speak about the debate, I found the discussion of gun control, and Bernie's lack of heavy stance on it, to be very interedting. What does everyone else think about the subject and how it pertains to the coming election?Remember, he represents Vermont. Vermont is a rural state with a fair amount of guns for hunting. Going full pro-gun control would not go well for Sanders given who he represents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a bad post Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 To speak about the debate, I found the discussion of gun control, and Bernie's lack of heavy stance on it, to be very interedting. What does everyone else think about the subject and how it pertains to the coming election?As someone who lives near chicago, and has family in the city I've just become so apathetic to the whole issue of gun-control at this point. Call me cold, but I get a headache every time someone starts talking about it, cause I know that even if we complete outlaw guns that the people shooting each other up in chicago will continue doing so because those guns are not obtained legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 As someone who lives near chicago, and has family in the city I've just become so apathetic to the whole issue of gun-control at this point. Call me cold, but I get a headache every time someone starts talking about it, cause I know that even if we complete outlaw guns that the people shooting each other up in chicago will continue doing so because those guns are not obtained legally. I mean, people say this, but look at how much gun violence there is in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 I mean, people say this, but look at how much gun violence there is in the UK. We are not UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyng Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 We are not UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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