Tribe-Infecting Virus

[ENMaker]

 

1 Raigeki 2 Dark Hole and this, which eats a normal summon, requires a discard, only hits face-ups and only one type, while also being vulnerable to BTS, Fiendish and everything else, is banned. Why?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Mermail. Atlantean. Sinister Serpent. 

 

It's an infinite + engine. Can't come back in either format till it gets and OPT

 

Raigeki is an awful decision on TCG's part.

 

Hole should sooner be banned than moved to 2. 

 

One bad decision does not validate another

[ihop]

No idea

[Spinny]

Mermail. Atlantean. Sinister Serpent. 

 

It's an infinite + engine. Can't come back in either format till it gets and OPT

 

Raigeki is an awful decision on TCG's part.

 

Hole should sooner be banned than moved to 2. 

 

One bad decision does not validate another

But the point is that it's significantly weaker tbh, if Dhole was ever at 1 why wasn't this? Idk tbh tho, just my opinion

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

But the point is that it's significantly weaker tbh, if Dhole was ever at 1 why wasn't this? Idk tbh tho, just my opinion

Dark Hole can't stop floating. Say you hole a clown, it comes back. This card can put an end to floating since it does not have an OPT. Also Monster vs spell. Quite possibly one of the most broken cards in existence. TCG has a great many things to unban before making another snatch steal mistake in this card. 

[Toffee.]

But the point is that it's significantly weaker-

I think it's the fact this card is a specific Lightning Vortex with legs.

Plus, given the fact that Decks are typically mono-Type, this can have more going for it.

Sure, destroying Pendulums is a pro choice, seeing as how they would jut come back again, but Konami is likely paranoid over This card's potential interaction with stuff/future stuff(outside of Mermails), which might be why it's still banned.

....

Which is really weird.

I'm kinda' guessing, but still.

 

while also being vulnerable to BTS, Fiendish-

Please, don't ever use 'cards like Fiendish exist; Card is balanced' as reasoning behind why something can come back.

[mido9]

Mermail. Atlantean. Sinister Serpent. 

 

It's an infinite + engine. Can't come back in either format till it gets and OPT

It's only as infinite as the amount of monsters the enemy has which is going to be ~2 or 1 on average. Even if something is floating you're still gonna pay a lot of cards just to wipe a board and even just blowing up delteros + an altair that popped out and grabbed deneb for instance is 2 cards in hand + losing your NS to tribe just to kill it.

 

Also, mermails dont exactly have a lack of very strong discards or remoal since they can discard and search abyssphere, diva into neptabyss into gungnir and blow things up, abysspike searches level 3s for discards and etc, and this wouldnt be a whole lot above what they already have.

[ENMaker]

Please, don't ever use 'cards like Fiendish exist; Card is balanced' as reasoning behind why something can come back.

 

Point was that by being a monster and having a cost it has far more weaknesses than strengths and considering that Dark Hole is at 2, Raigeki at 1 and Lightning Vortex, of which this is essentially just a monster version, is at 3, that it being banned is illogical.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

It's only as infinite as the amount of monsters the enemy has which is going to be ~2 or 1 on average. Even if something is floating you're still gonna pay a lot of cards just to wipe a board and even just blowing up delteros + an altair that popped out and grabbed deneb for instance is 2 cards in hand + losing your NS to tribe just to kill it.

 

Also, mermails dont exactly have a lack of very strong discards or remoal since they can discard and search abyssphere, diva into neptabyss into gungnir and blow things up, abysspike searches level 3s for discards and etc, and this wouldnt be a whole lot above what they already have.

Hmm, maybe I'm scarred by the Night Ass for Night ass infinite board wipe, but even something like discard Neptabyss, pop Delt, opponent summons Altair, discard dragoons, pop that, add diva really puts you pretty far in the game. +2 cards tend to be devastating, I'm not comfortable with it existing in a format where Neptabyss exists unless it gets an OPT

[ihop]

Hmm, maybe I'm scarred by the Night Ass for Night ass infinite board wipe, but even something like discard Neptabyss, pop Delt, opponent summons Altair, discard dragoons, pop that, add diva really puts you pretty far in the game. +2 cards tend to be devastating, I'm not comfortable with it existing in a format where Neptabyss exists unless it gets an OPT

 

But in that scenario, if you have Dragons, Teus and a random WATER (similar to the situation you described), you can just summon Teus by discarding Dragoons, add Gunde off Teus and Megalo off Dragoons, discard Gunde and the random water, make Big Eye and get an Abyss-Sphere, a potential Gunde summon and a free Delteros, without even costing your normal summon. There are far better plays you can make with just your regular Mermails than trying to disrupt your opponent, Mermail is a combo deck and doesn't want to expend resources for anything other than advancing your game state.

[Azure Wolf]

Point was that by being a monster and having a cost it has far more weaknesses than strengths and considering that Dark Hole is at 2, Raigeki at 1 and Lightning Vortex, of which this is essentially just a monster version, is at 3, that it being banned is illogical.

Monster revival is a lot easier than re obtaining Spell and Traps so most of the time you won't be using all your copies of Lightning Vortex and will only use each one once. While with this at on you can revive it more easily than getting back Raigeki, Dark Hole or Lightning Vortex. Sure it can be run over and will probably be only used once but being easier to get back if needed is possibly one reason why it wasn't brought back.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

But in that scenario, if you have Dragons, Teus and a random WATER (similar to the situation you described), you can just summon Teus by discarding Dragoons, add Gunde off Teus and Megalo off Dragoons, discard Gunde and the random water, make Big Eye and get an Abyss-Sphere, a potential Gunde summon and a free Delteros, without even costing your normal summon. There are far better plays you can make with just your regular Mermails than trying to disrupt your opponent, Mermail is a combo deck and doesn't want to expend resources for anything other than advancing your game state.

Well you described a three card scenario. Just Nepty and Tribe can make similar +1's, I also don't like the idea of how you can pop and swing, then come back in MP2 and clean up if your opponent has anything. I guess it could MAYBE come to 1, but higher than that would mean monster versions of warlords in every deck

[Toffee.]

Point was that by being a monster and having a cost it has far more weaknesses than strengths and considering that Dark Hole is at 2, Raigeki at 1 and Lightning Vortex, of which this is essentially just a monster version, is at 3, that it being banned is illogical.

Chaos Emperor Dragon, using it's older text, would also fit this same critera.

Just sayin'

 

 

But in that scenario, if you have Dragons, Teus and a random WATER (similar to the situation you described), you can just summon Teus by discarding Dragoons, add Gunde off Teus and Megalo off Dragoons, discard Gunde and the random water, make Big Eye and get an Abyss-Sphere, a potential Gunde summon and a free Delteros, without even costing your normal summon. There are far better plays you can make with just your regular Mermails than trying to disrupt your opponent, Mermail is a combo deck and doesn't want to expend resources for anything other than advancing your game state.

you know, part of why This card might be banned is because they forced WATER to be in a dogma of having Discard costs because Mermails/Atlanteans/etc are cards, so naturally you would play them with said cards, and as a result, would just otherwise augment the cost.

Mermails have far better plays that are much more effecient and consistent, but still.

[Spinny]

Dark Hole can't stop floating. Say you hole a clown, it comes back. This card can put an end to floating since it does not have an OPT

Because Discard 2 and use NS is totally value. This card has quite a high cost lol

[Tinkerer]

I don't wanna get my head lopped off here, but, hypothetically, if this card came back (to 2 let's say...), what decks would run it?

 

As for my opinion, I don't see this as being super dangerous in today's [competitive] scene at all. I mean, from what I understand, Neks wouldn't be bothered too much, Tellars would probably have some backrow answer (and if they don't, they'd just run it over afterwards), Shaddoll floats and sets, Qli/EMem are pendulums, Noids would dodge/not care about being in grave... Etc.

 

All that said, I think it could come back and be fine. ...Then again, I'll admit I'm biased since I'd like to see it come back so I can dig up my copy and beat my friends with it casually. XP

[Slinky]

Atlanteans are pretty much the only thing inhibiting it now. Card does deserve to come back, as-is to 3. And the previous logic of floating is laughable. Congratulations, you miffed your normal summon and reduced your hand size by 2 just to get rid of 1 funking clown. Enjoy losing soon because you ate through your resources like an idiot.

[Sleepy]

If it came back, it'd be fun in Aqua Actresses. The Spell/Traps discarded would support its revival and so would a Magical Hats play, and having it in Defense Position at any point would let me see if I can splash some Draw Muscle copies here and there.

 

Other than that, Atlanteans and Mermails don't need it whatsoever. If anything, it'd be a Normal Summon out to something while under Lose1turn or something like that, just like how Warrior Normal Summon outs to Djinn Releaser used to be. Except I don't think it'd really fill in any gap even there.....

 

It should come back. It's been fine for a while now, and Sinister Serpent + this card wouldn't break anything... arguably even if Sinister Serpent had come back without the errata.

[Sunshine Jesse]

Not that it should be banned in the first place, but there's no real reason for them to unban it, and there's not enough potential hype for it to be profitable.

 

It's just one of those easily-forgotten cards on the list.

[Sleepy]

I don't think "there's no reason to be unbanned even if there's no reason to be banned when it already is" is a valid argument.

Clean-up should be done to keep it short and newbie-friendly, if nothing else. In fact, that's mostly what Konami did when they errata'd banned cards into returning to legality. 

 

Being banned is the active "push" here. If a card stops "pushing it", it should head towards returning to being out of it.

[Sunshine Jesse]

I don't think "there's no reason to be unbanned even if there's no reason to be banned when it already is" is a valid argument.

Clean-up should be done to keep it short and newbie-friendly, if nothing else. In fact, that's mostly what Konami did when they errata'd banned cards into returning to legality. 

 

Being banned is the active "push" here. If a card stops "pushing it", it should head towards returning to being out of it.

I mean I entirely agree with this, I'm just speaking from what I perceive to be their perspective.

 

All of the errata'd cards were famous and "hype" in some way, so it was pretty easy to make bank via said errata and a reprint.

 

This... isn't. It probably won't be unbanned until Konami remembers it exists and goes "sure why not lol" like Tsukuyomi. (well, in my headcanon anyways)

 

Or to promote some crazy archetype it has synergy with.