Astolfo Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Oh, just looked it up.I thought inherent was only like Cyber Dragon or Lava Golem/etc.It's all the ED stuff too.And then non-inherent is by monster effects. Well, that pretty much means this card screws over just about any kind of SS unless it's done directly through a Spell/Trap, meaning pretty much only Fusions/Rituals are safe, because monster effects to summon can also be destroyed by this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman Indra Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 do not limit this to 1 or try to ban it later konami.Let this thing be at 3 peacefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 do not limit this to 1 or try to ban it later konami.Let this thing be at 3 peacefully.Why? I mean, I'm not going to scream broken from the hills, but this is definitely not the type of card that belongs at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 do not limit this to 1 or try to ban it later konami.Let this thing be at 3 peacefully.Will not happen. This will be at 1 pretty much right away. But on the bright side, at least we can now have a extra chance to Draw a Solemn Card.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Monsters and monster effects have pretty much dominated the game, so as busted as this might seem, I can see the logic behind making it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman Indra Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 with the amount of pendulum shennanigans this thing prevents , it deserves to be at 3 , 2 minimum , if 1 or banned i call bs on konami and every player that gives a vote on this being banned or be at 1. And this is coming from a guy who has played EmeM for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 with the amount of pendulum shennanigans this thing prevents , it deserves to be at 3 , 2 minimum , if 1 or banned i call bs on konami and every player that gives a vote on this being banned or be at 1. And this is coming from a guy who has played EmeM for a long time.I do understand your logic, but do you really want to see a Format where EVERYONE is running this at 3? At least if it is 2 or 1, more people will be hesitant to run it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 with the amount of pendulum shennanigans this thing prevents , it deserves to be at 3 , 2 minimum , if 1 or banned i call bs on konami and every player that gives a vote on this being banned or be at 1. And this is coming from a guy who has played EmeM for a long time.Wow, you played a deck, clearly you know the ins and outs of the game I play Ppal and other decks, as well, and while there could be more answers, this sorta thing still does not belong at 3. Again, I'm not calling it broken for the hell of it or anything, but it's not the type of card to remain at 3, or even 2, forever. It's better than Warning is right now, so yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman Indra Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Wow, you played a deck, clearly you know the ins and outs of the game I play Ppal and other decks, as well, and while there could be more answers, this sorta thing still does not belong at 3. Again, I'm not calling it broken for the hell of it or anything, but it's not the type of card to remain at 3, or even 2, forever. It's better than Warning is right now, so yeah.To each his own i guess , regardless of how pathetic your opinion is sir , this card is a minimum 2 , not below that.The irony of this yugioh fanbase is real , first you all say that we need a pend hate or anti-pend card and now we get it you say put it at 1 or ban it. LOL , should i laugh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 dude did you play this game when we had 3 Warning and Judgment? I'd really prefer not to have that back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 dude did you play this game when we had 3 Warning and Judgment? I'd really prefer not to have that back.Don't remind me.... The thing about Judgement is that you could ALWAYS afford it unless you had 1 LP. This meant it being pretty much a Staple in every Deck and at 3 stopped most plays dead in their Tracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman Indra Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 dude did you play this game when we had 3 Warning and Judgment? I'd really prefer not to have that back.Been playing this game since a normal monster with big enough atk ws enough to win the game and put pressure .I can bet 100 bucks on the fact that this card wont go below 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Been playing this game since a normal monster with big enough atk ws enough to win the game and put pressure .I can bet 100 bucks on the fact that this card wont go below 2.I can tell you right now that this is going to be at 1 within two Ban Lists. Stop trying to kid yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 To each his own i guess , regardless of how pathetic your opinion is sir , this card is a minimum 2 , not below that.The irony of this yugioh fanbase is real , first you all say that we need a pend hate or anti-pend card and now we get it you say put it at 1 or ban it. LOL , should i laugh ?Do you know how to supply points? Because every post you make when someone points out a flaw in your logic seems a weak attempt at attacking character, yet you supplied nothing yourself. Back up your points with logic other than "I experienced X" and rage. I said nothing about Pendulum Hate. I pointed out that this card is all around better than a Limited card. If anything, you shouldn't have more than 2 total solemns at a time. It doesn't matter than Pendulums are out of hand in the case of some decks like Mage and Pals, as those shouldn't happen anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Ok, and I'll bet 100 e-bucks that this card will be banned within 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman Indra Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Ok, and I'll bet 100 e-bucks that this card will be banned within 3 years.Within 3 years , yugioh will be the biggest anime in this world and naruto / bleach / one piece will all be the new summoning methods .Reality check much ? Either way , with the amount of pend plays and monster oriented this game has become , this card will be a welcome stay at 3 or 2 , If it doesnt get below 2 , i will be laughing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Within 3 years , yugioh will be the biggest anime in this world and naruto / bleach / one piece will all be the new summoning methods . And Sheffield will have a tram which can run on train tracks and means you can get a tram from the city centre to the centre of another nearby city. What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman Indra Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 And Sheffield will have a tram which can run on train tracks and means you can get a tram from the city centre to the centre of another nearby city. What's your point?My point is this card is well justified at 3 , maybe 2 if you are being so judgemental on it , not more than that . Pretty sure it wont go below 2 so yeah..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Max Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Within 3 years , yugioh will be the biggest anime in this world and naruto / bleach / one piece will all be the new summoning methods .Reality check much ? Either way , with the amount of pend plays and monster oriented this game has become , this card will be a welcome stay at 3 or 2 , If it doesnt get below 2 , i will be laughing though.You know what? I am so sure that this will be at 1 or banned that I am staking my YCM account on it. If this isn't at 1 or Banned by say next June. I will request a Perma Ban and leave for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman Indra Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 You know what? I am so sure that this will be at 1 or banned that I am staking my YCM account on it. If this isn't at 1 or Banned by say next June. I will request a Perma Ban and leave for good.Same here , this card wont go below 2 , this is a high stakes bet now , be ready to leave if you are wrong , i am prepared if i am wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 My point is this card is well justified at 3 , maybe 2 if you are being so judgemental on it , not more than that . Pretty sure it wont go below 2 so yeah..... Ok, I'll stop responding to your nonsensical posts with further nonsense and give you a serious reason of why I think it'll be limited, if not banned. The ability to negate such a wide range of things while being more or less unchainable to by virtue of being spell speed 3 is very powerful indeed. The game has plenty of inherent summons, between Pendulums, which will probably be slightly more common in the future than they are now, to the fact that Konami are releasing a lot more fusions, some of which are inherently contact summoned like RB, while Xyz are still used an awful lot and Synchros are experiencing a bit of a comeback too. Black Horn of Heaven is a pretty solid side choice right now, and the main reason it isn't mained is because a handful of decks today, including some of the biggest, rarely summon inherently. However, all those decks rely heavily on monster effects, which means there's basically not a single matchup in the current meta, and not a single matchup in the meta in the forseeable future (EMem is hurt heavily by the Black Horn effect, Monarchs are hurt heavily by the Divine Wrath effect, Kozmo are hurt heavily by the Divine Wrath effect). The card is incredibly versatile and, like Black Horn, can be a complete blowout against decks relying heavily on an inherent summon, mainly Pendulum decks, while still retaining an insane amount of utility against other matchups, and even just in other situations. It has a relatively low cost, and compared to Solemn Warning, which is limited and is absolutely justified in its limiting, has a lower cost and has even more utility. Considering people are happy to play a card that does only one of the effects, and in some situations are even happy to play a card where you have to discard another to get another of the effects, a card which combines both and therefore covers almost everything relevant is just ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aman Indra Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 Ok, I'll stop responding to your nonsensical posts with further nonsense and give you a serious reason of why I think it'll be limited, if not banned. The ability to negate such a wide range of things while being more or less unchainable to by virtue of being spell speed 3 is very powerful indeed. The game has plenty of inherent summons, between Pendulums, which will probably be slightly more common in the future than they are now, to the fact that Konami are releasing a lot more fusions, some of which are inherently contact summoned like RB, while Xyz are still used an awful lot and Synchros are experiencing a bit of a comeback too. Black Horn of Heaven is a pretty solid side choice right now, and the main reason it isn't mained is because a handful of decks today, including some of the biggest, rarely summon inherently. However, all those decks rely heavily on monster effects, which means there's basically not a single matchup in the current meta, and not a single matchup in the meta in the forseeable future (EMem is hurt heavily by the Black Horn effect, Monarchs are hurt heavily by the Divine Wrath effect, Kozmo are hurt heavily by the Divine Wrath effect). The card is incredibly versatile and, like Black Horn, can be a complete blowout against decks relying heavily on an inherent summon, mainly Pendulum decks, while still retaining an insane amount of utility against other matchups, and even just in other situations. It has a relatively low cost, and compared to Solemn Warning, which is limited and is absolutely justified in its limiting, has a lower cost and has even more utility. Considering people are happy to play a card that does only one of the effects, and in some situations are even happy to play a card where you have to discard another to get another of the effects, a card which combines both and therefore covers almost everything relevant is just ridiculous.Now , since the game is experiencing a rather general shift towards pendulum , the power of pendulum decks is pretty greater than anything else over the couple of years. Pendulums can simply out , screw over everything. pure example would be EmEm , which is ridiculous and magicians etc are also pretty damn good , So , the need for this card in today's format and keeping in mind that pendulum support will be in bulk for a long time is of utmost importance , this card can become a very valuable card against many dominent and destructive decks which are simply ruling over the once diverse format. Keeping that in mind , this card also stops your opponent 's combo moves , which often results in various odd locks and semi-locks. SO , simply put , this thing is here to stay and maybe it will get to 2 but i dont see it going below that until the format becomes relatively less dynamic for it to function like a rebel card. So , without enticing furthur arguments , let the time decide it's fate . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 All the solemns except judgement belong at three. Main MST people >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 All the solemns except judgement belong at three. Main MST people >_> every card belongs at three. main judgment people >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted October 11, 2015 Report Share Posted October 11, 2015 No. Judgement is always live due to the variable cost. The rest don't have that problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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