Metamorphosis

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

Tribute 1 monster. Special Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Fusion Deck with the same Level as the Tributed monster.

 

This might be my favorite spell card in the game, a card that gained infamy in my fav format etc. 

 

Until recently, due to Norden, it seemed like this card could never come off without an Errata, OCG dealt with that issue, and I'm hoping TCG will delay the list by a month or so and no go the hit IF route, guess we'll see

 

So what's broken about this card? Cyber Twin Dragon? We're past that era. Exterio? Stein has been legal for over a year not, still ain't shifting any games, also Ghost Oger is a card. Last Warrio- GTFO

 

People might say it'll break Hieratics since you can tribute a hieratic to go for Photon Twin dragon and then atum

 

...guys please, it's an unsearchable -1 which no truly broken targets. Some may say TER can never come back because of it, again not true. TER is better off from IF since you can CoTH it back in that case unlike here, so thoughts?

[Arimetal]

I agree it should be allowed back. I don't see use getting that relinquished fusion anytime soon, so what bad can this do. Try @ 2, if nothing put to three. The best it can do is LV 4 for Norden, bring back dead monster- instant Xyz. And its not like we don't have cards that can do that already.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I agree it should be allowed back. I don't see use getting that relinquished fusion anytime soon, so what bad can this do. Try @ 2, if nothing put to three. The best it can do is LV 4 for Norden, bring back dead monster- instant Xyz. And its not like we don't have cards that can do that already.

Well, LV 4 for Noden is bad. Since you could go something like Shadow Mist, Noden, get back Mist, add bubbleman, make 3 mat (Shock OCG, Delt(?) TCG). But let's face it Noden is just funking bad design. 

[Arimetal]

Well, LV 4 for Noden is bad. Since you could go something like Shadow Mist, Noden, get back Mist, add bubbleman, make 3 mat (Shock OCG, Delt(?) TCG). But let's face it Noden is just f***ing bad design.

 

That's why I thought 3 was excessive. Also its design is nice just the card pool we have isnt the best for it to be healthy.

[Tinkerer]

When I see this card, I can only really think of cute things. My favorite target for this card was always "Reaper on the Nightmare" (as mediocre as that is). I'd like to see this card come back if only for that and Super Roboyarou/lady.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

That's why I thought 3 was excessive. Also its design is nice just the card pool we have isnt the best for it to be healthy.

I really think Exterio is the is the WORSE it can get, and that's not hard to crack at all. It's a nice card to have limited IMO. I'm just really hoping TCG won't make OCG's mistake and hit Instant Fusion to save Noden...OCG could have been a little less cancerous if they had just banned Noden in January instead of limit IF and prolonging this sheet for a entire damn year

[Blake]

Well, LV 4 for Noden is bad. Since you could go something like Shadow Mist, Noden, get back Mist, add bubbleman, make 3 mat (Shock OCG, Delt(?) TCG). But let's face it Noden is just funking bad design.

It's not exclusively bad.

 

In the case of Star Seraph Scepter, Metamorph is better than IF early on. Yeah, Norden's an issue, but the point remains.

 

Shaddolls get a sizable boost, Infernoids have a lot of access, and your Exterio point fell flat.

 

Cyber Stein is a 5000 LP cost that either takes Reasoning/an NS and loses to Veiler. It's way too risky, where Metamorphosis has much fewer ways to play around it.

 

Definitely should not be allowed back yet.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

It's not exclusively bad.

 

In the case of Star Seraph Scepter, Metamorph is better than IF early on. Yeah, Norden's an issue, but the point remains.

 

Shaddolls get a sizable boost, Infernoids have a lot of access, and your Exterio point fell flat.

 

Cyber Stein is a 5000 LP cost that either takes Reasoning/an NS and loses to Veiler. It's way too risky, where Metamorphosis has much fewer ways to play around it.

 

Definitely should not be allowed back yet.

No, Shaddolls cant use it. They need to be Fusion Summoned first. I thought of Construct into Construct already, and made sure it won't work.  Stick Chair is kinda busted on its own no mate? I feel we're hanging Meta for the crimes of other cards.

 

Stein is searchable, toolable, special-able, etc

 

And at three no less, in a world where Stick Chair is hit, and Noden is gone, it wouldn't be bad. What're you gonna use for Exterio anyway. People say everyone would tech cards like Exodius...but lets be realistic 

[Blake]

No, Shaddolls cant use it. They need to be Fusion Summoned first. I thought of Construct into Construct already, and made sure it won't work.  Stick Chair is kinda busted on its own no mate? I feel we're hanging Meta for the crimes of other cards.

 

Stein is searchable, toolable, special-able, etc

 

And at three no less, in a world where Stick Chair is hit, and Noden is gone, it wouldn't be bad. What're you gonna use for Exterio anyway. People say everyone would tech cards like Exodius...but lets be realistic

You misunderstood the first point.

 

Sheki into Exterio.

Grysta into TLWfAP (less likely but)

 

It's weak to veiler and requires a Normal Summon, inconsistency, or just all around subpar choices in order to summon. Not comparable.

 

Shekhinaga. Onuncu/Nehemoth. Decatron.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

You misunderstood the first point.

 

Sheki into Exterio.

Grysta into TLWfAP (less likely but)

 

It's weak to veiler and requires a Normal Summon, inconsistency, or just all around subpar choices in order to summon. Not comparable.

 

Shekhinaga. Onuncu/Nehemoth. Decatron.

Fair, sorry @ first point

 

@Stein and Veiler, but by that logic Exterio is weak to Yuki Usagi no? Or Farfa or any deck that can use monsters's pretty well. What can exterio do against stick chair. 

 

I apologize for missing your shaddoll point, that deck has been out of the picture so long for me, that I never really considered it, won't it likely get an ass rape on TCG side too though?

 

Infernoids are a tier 2 deck in OCG, and not even on the map in TCG, it's hardly the worry, experimenting with it at 1 seems like it can't hurt. It doesn't need to be errata'ed imo

[Blake]

Fair, sorry @ first point

 

@Stein and Veiler, but by that logic Exterio is weak to Yuki Usagi no? Or Farfa or any deck that can use monsters's pretty well. What can exterio do against stick chair. 

 

I apologize for missing your shaddoll point, that deck has been out of the picture so long for me, that I never really considered it, won't it likely get an ass rape on TCG side too though?

 

Infernoids are a tier 2 deck in OCG, and not even on the map in TCG, it's hardly the worry, experimenting with it at 1 seems like it can't hurt. It doesn't need to be errata'ed imo

Does exterio cost you 5000 life points to do so

 

Likely won't. Shaddoll is a fan favorite, and TCG has become happy with its format on the whole.

 

They're on the map in the TCG, just not best bet. Giving them a sacky wincon isn't exactly an optimal idea, especially given how easy it is to drop a level 10. 7 isn't as easy, as it requires Sjette (meh) or Seitsemas, but it's still possible.

 

And 8/9 have decent options. Bloom Diva's an "okay" 6, I guess.

 

I dislike Errata, I just think it shouldn't come back. It only adds potential locks, OTKs, etc. to the game for drawing it.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Does exterio cost you 5000 life points to do so

 

Likely won't. Shaddoll is a fan favorite, and TCG has become happy with its format on the whole.

 

They're on the map in the TCG, just not best bet. Giving them a sacky wincon isn't exactly an optimal idea, especially given how easy it is to drop a level 10. 7 isn't as easy, as it requires Sjette (meh) or Seitsemas, but it's still possible.

 

And 8/9 have decent options. Bloom Diva's an "okay" 6, I guess.

 

I dislike Errata, I just think it shouldn't come back. It only adds potential locks, OTKs, etc. to the game for drawing it.

Shaddolls were a fan favorite OCG side too, to the point where people make it work even after Construct got banned. I don't think Tewart cares. But, I'm new to TCG and have to learn a lot so Ill take your opinion on this. The Win Con here being the Lilith+Exterio lock? Meta can't even make that work unless you use that one spell.

 

I feel like exterio would lock them out an leave the field wide open for BA or m&m's or w/e deck to clean out.

 

Shaddolls you are correct on, and yes 5k is a thing, esp with cards like Barbar being able to burn out out for game. But say Construct gets limited + another hit, that would put them down a lot, you guys don't even have super poly, cut the deck some slack imo, but respect your opinion and points on why it's too good still :)

[Blake]

Shaddolls were a fan favorite OCG side too, to the point where people make it work even after Construct got banned. I don't think Tewart cares. But, I'm new to TCG and have to learn a lot so Ill take your opinion on this. The Win Con here being the Lilith+Exterio lock? Meta can't even make that work unless you use that one spell.

 

I feel like exterio would lock them out an leave the field wide open for BA or m&m's or w/e deck to clean out.

 

Shaddolls you are correct on, and yes 5k is a thing, esp with cards like Barbar being able to burn out out for game. But say Construct gets limited + another hit, that would put them down a lot, you guys don't even have super poly, cut the deck some slack imo, but respect your opinion and points on why it's too good still :)

Format hasn't changed at all, really, in a while. Just the removal of Djinn. The TCG has a very good format on the whole right now, and the fans are happy bar casual whining, so they won't change it much. Majespecter, Magician, and more are on the horizon to be sold, as well.

 

Exterio does keep you out of the game, but it just lets you lock out pendulums. T1 Exterio is just GG against pendulums, barring T1 Eccentrick. It's an acceptable option for matchups, obviously not 100%.

 

Giving them a banned buff doesn't seem quite right, especially given the fact that it's not even the top deck. IT's one of them, but not the best, so chances of it getting a real hit seems unlikely.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Format hasn't changed at all, really, in a while. Just the removal of Djinn. The TCG has a very good format on the whole right now, and the fans are happy bar casual whining, so they won't change it much. Majespecter, Magician, and more are on the horizon to be sold, as well.

 

Exterio does keep you out of the game, but it just lets you lock out pendulums. T1 Exterio is just GG against pendulums, barring T1 Eccentrick. It's an acceptable option for matchups, obviously not 100%.

 

Giving them a banned buff doesn't seem quite right, especially given the fact that it's not even the top deck. IT's one of them, but not the best, so chances of it getting a real hit seems unlikely.

And OCG side, maybe you think? Even if they bring Construct back, Shaddolls still have consistency issues up to wall there. One more power spell won't help them. Hell people were advocating for super poly to 2 this format with a noden ban, so some buff in in order IMO. 

 

There's just some cards like Sagan, Witch, Yata, Meta which I just don't get why the funk are on the list

[VampireofDarkness]

And OCG side, maybe you think? Even if they bring Construct back, Shaddolls still have consistency issues up to wall there. One more power spell won't help them. Hell people were advocating for super poly to 2 this format with a noden ban, so some buff in in order IMO.

 

There's just some cards like Sagan, Witch, Yata, Meta which I just don't get why the f*** are on the list

Tbh though, it still feels rather frisky. Just less so in the OCG because of how their meta comes out. In reality though I still would jump the hell up if I saw this come back. Shaddolls in particular, but then also Trains raise a huge hair. In fact Train Shaddolls would probably do a little more. I do see your point though with some of what you mentioned. Sangan probably is fine imo, Witch people are still worried about my homeboy Dark Armed and tbh should let alone some of its other wide range of targets, more or less both might actually be a case of too many to keep up with. Yata legitimately sucks, but it's just not something they would rather see happen apparently. Supposedly Konami plans to errata every card that needs to be errata to unban...... Except Yata. That may or may not say something.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Tbh though, it still feels rather frisky. Just less so in the OCG because of how their meta comes out. In reality though I still would jump the hell up if I saw this come back. Shaddolls in particular, but then also Trains raise a huge hair. In fact Train Shaddolls would probably do a little more. I do see your point though with some of what you mentioned. Sangan probably is fine imo, Witch people are still worried about my homeboy Dark Armed and tbh should let alone some of its other wide range of targets, more or less both might actually be a case of too many to keep up with. Yata legitimately sucks, but it's just not something they would rather see happen apparently. Supposedly Konami plans to errata every card that needs to be errata to unban...... Except Yata. That may or may not say something.

Well OCG Konami thinks that Goyo's high atk is a good enough reason to keep it banned. Sure they won't do it, but there's a good 10ish cards that could come off as is

 

I don't know enough about TCG, so I don't wanna make stupid unbans, but OCG side

 

TIV

Witch

Sangan

Yata

MoF

Construct

Goyo

Meta

Time Seal

 

 

The rest need some manner of errata IMO, but that's just me

[Slinky]

Witch has the potential to be a huge problem in Mages&Pals, due to it being a Spellcaster. So no, I'd rather not see that.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Witch has the potential to be a huge problem in Mages&Pals, due to it being a Spellcaster. So no, I'd rather not see that.

How though? Pendulum and pop for Wizard? I guess, but m&m's are a problem of their own. Don't TGU sangan on Witch. + the deck is crippled in TCG

[Slinky]

2 words. Wonder Wand

[ENMaker]

Just since I mentioned it in the last thread for this and it's still a relevant note, this + Gagaga Magician gives you any fusion level 1 to 8.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

2 words. Wonder Wand

Still hard to get to hand.

 

Chain +Reborn?

[Neutrality Man]

Trap Monster.dek can make GREAT use of this spell, for the player who likes to take risks that big.

 

Here's a list of what it can Summon, that would be of any use in such a Deck or and/or when Summoned this way

 

Metal Reflect Slime = 10:

1. Naturia Exterio
2. Cyber End Dragon
3. Gaia Drake, the Universal Force

Shaddoll Core= 9:

1. Arcana Knight Joker
2. Super Vehicroid - Stealth Union
3. Master of Oz

Statue of Anguish Pattern = 7:

1. Last Warrior from Another Planet
2. Odd-Eyes Vortex Dragon

Abyss Stungray = 5 :

1. Reaper on the Nightmare
2. Ojama Knight
3. Chimeratech Rampage Dragon

The Tikis, Apophis, Stronghold, and the rest = 4:

1. Elder Entity Norden

 

and that's without a level increase like Risebell the Summoner

 

Abyss Stungray + Risebell effect: = 6

1. Ojama King
2. D/D/D Blaze King Temujin
3. Ryu Senshi
4. Dark Flare Knight
5. Bloom Diva the Melodious Saint

Statue of Anguish Pattern + Risebell Effect =8

1. Gatling Dragon
2. Meteor Black Dragon
3. SuperAlloy Beast Raptinus
4. Blaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment Bird
5. Cyber Twin Dragon

Metal Reflect Slime + Double Risebell = 12

1. Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon
2. Barbaroid, the Ultimate Battle Machine

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

Trap Monster.dek can make GREAT use of this spell, for the player who likes to take risks that big.

 

Here's a list of what it can Summon, that would be of any use in such a Deck or and/or when Summoned this way

 

Metal Reflect Slime = 10:

1. Naturia Exterio
2. Cyber End Dragon
3. Gaia Drake, the Universal Force

Shaddoll Core= 9:

1. Arcana Knight Joker
2. Super Vehicroid - Stealth Union
3. Master of Oz

Statue of Anguish Pattern = 7:

1. Last Warrior from Another Planet
2. Odd-Eyes Vortex Dragon

Abyss Stungray = 5 :

1. Reaper on the Nightmare
2. Ojama Knight
3. Chimeratech Rampage Dragon

The Tikis, Apophis, Stronghold, and the rest = 4:

1. Elder Entity Norden

 

and that's without a level increase like Risebell the Summoner

 

Abyss Stungray + Risebell effect: = 6

1. Ojama King
2. D/D/D Blaze King Temujin
3. Ryu Senshi
4. Dark Flare Knight
5. Bloom Diva the Melodious Saint

Statue of Anguish Pattern + Risebell Effect =8

1. Gatling Dragon
2. Meteor Black Dragon
3. SuperAlloy Beast Raptinus
4. Blaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment Bird
5. Cyber Twin Dragon

Metal Reflect Slime + Double Risebell = 12

1. Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon
2. Barbaroid, the Ultimate Battle Machine

 

And those decks would be meta relevant why?

[Neutrality Man]

Why does everything have to be meta relevant in every single damn post around here? ESPECIALLY when we're talking about a card that's been banned since the list was made? Some people do still play just to move cards on a table, you know.

 

Maybe that list of Metamorphosis targets could help you splash in a tech or two with their corresponding trap monsters, I don't know. Point is those are the targets that are both A) useful when Summoned of Metamorphosis, and B) can even be Summoned off it. Set up to show how to Summon that way off the Trap Monster cards, which are generally all easy to Summon.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Why does everything have to be meta relevant in every single damn post around here? ESPECIALLY when we're talking about a card that's been banned since the list was made? Some people do still play just to move cards on a table, you know.

 

Maybe that list of Metamorphosis targets could help you splash in a tech or two with their corresponding trap monsters, I don't know. Point is those are the targets that are both A) useful when Summoned of Metamorphosis, and B) can even be Summoned off it. Set up to show how to Summon that way off the Trap Monster cards, which are generally all easy to Summon.

Why? Because the banlist doesn't care about casuals