heraldry_lord Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Zendikar's RetributionMana Cost: {4}{W}Sorcery Converge - Destroy a number of target nonland permanents equal to the number of colors spent to cast Zendikar's Retribution. If three or more colors were spent to cast Zendikar's Retributon, Zendikar's Retribution can't be countered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Cannot be countered clauses must say "by spells and abilities" I really feel like this should target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted September 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Cannot be countered clauses must say "by spells and abilities" Supreme Verdict, Surrak Dragonclaw and Dragonlord Dromoka disagree though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Oh. So they do. My second point stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Supreme Verdict and the two legendaries don't target. Uncounterable cards that you have to declare targets for need the "by spells and abilities" clause. So, yes, Giga is right. Uncounterability is not a white ability at all. Primary red and green, and tertiary blue. Card doesn't need it anyway. It's randomly tacked on for not much. Might be a bit pushed, but seems fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Supreme Verdict and the two legendaries don't target. Uncounterable cards that you have to declare targets for need the "by spells and abilities" clause. So, yes, Giga is right.Because otherwise they would still resolve even if targets were made illegal, since fizzling is countering by game mechanics, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted September 11, 2015 Report Share Posted September 11, 2015 Because otherwise they would still resolve even if targets were made illegal, since fizzling is countering by game mechanics, correct?Yep, cards without legal targets get countered as part of the game mechanics. So it physically makes no sense for it to resolve in that scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted September 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2015 Supreme Verdict and the two legendaries don't target. Uncounterable cards that you have to declare targets for need the "by spells and abilities" clause. So, yes, Giga is right. To be fair, it didn't target when he said it (though I understand what you're saying), so now the question I have is do you think it should target? Uncounterability is not a white ability at all. Primary red and green, and tertiary blue. Card doesn't need it anyway. It's randomly tacked on for not much. I see. Also, it's not random; I was thinking of Esper when I made it. So, I either have to add blue to it, or I remove the clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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