Premier Alexander Romanov Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyvgS0fjKpY I could use some help on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 focusing on fusions and rituals doesnt seem like a good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 NononononoYou have 6 ways to search Red eyes fusion. You don't need to run 3. Actually, you're build is very rudementary, but the skeleton's there. We just have to do some fine tuning. First things first. We need to clean up you r monster count. You honestly don't need to run that much stuff, but that will become more apparent as we progress. -1 vanilla red eyes-1 Summoned Skull-1 Wyvern (kinda sucks tbh)-1 Tracer.-1 Black stone (it's ok I'm found somewhere with this)-1 Black Metal-1 Manju-1 Dark dragonNow you really don't have a way to dump Carb, and honestly you really don't need it. However is can be useful, so run it if you want, otherwise -2 carb That's a lot of free space. Let's keep going. -1 Knight ritualNow do one of the following:-1 REF-2 Dragon's mirrorOr-2 REF-1 Dragon's mirror Time to fill some space. +3 Dragon's shrine. Why? Shrine send Red-eyes + stone. Activate stone to add it to your hand. Now you can "search" black stone. +2 Swing of Memories. Make dem xyz all dayzMaybe +1 RE Spirit+1 Protector of the shrine. You can dump it w/ shrine and it's actually very useful. Fill the space with moar things. Options:GorzMoar red jewelzKinka Byo (free black stone)One for OneMore swings / Silver's cry.Supervise I guess?Generic Staples Now for the extra deck-1 Black dragon archfiend-2 Black Skull Dragon-2 First of the Dragons-1 REFMD Add staples. Odd-eyes absolute dragon, R4 stuf (very easy with protector), etc. If you decided on a Kinka or 2, try Beast eyes. Stone + Byo = free 3000 beater no poly required That should at least streamline the build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted August 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 NononononoYou have 6 ways to search Red eyes fusion. You don't need to run 3. Actually, you're build is very rudementary, but the skeleton's there. We just have to do some fine tuning. First things first. We need to clean up you r monster count. You honestly don't need to run that much stuff, but that will become more apparent as we progress. -1 vanilla red eyes-1 Summoned Skull-1 Wyvern (kinda sucks tbh)-1 Tracer.-1 Black stone (it's ok I'm found somewhere with this)-1 Black Metal-1 Manju-1 Dark dragonNow you really don't have a way to dump Carb, and honestly you really don't need it. However is can be useful, so run it if you want, otherwise -2 carb That's a lot of free space. Let's keep going. -1 Knight ritualNow do one of the following:-1 REF-2 Dragon's mirrorOr-2 REF-1 Dragon's mirror Time to fill some space. +3 Dragon's shrine. Why? Shrine send Red-eyes + stone. Activate stone to add it to your hand. Now you can "search" black stone. +2 Swing of Memories. Make dem xyz all dayzMaybe +1 RE Spirit+1 Protector of the shrine. You can dump it w/ shrine and it's actually very useful. Fill the space with moar things. Options:GorzMoar red jewelzKinka Byo (free black stone)One for OneMore swings / Silver's cry.Supervise I guess?Generic Staples Now for the extra deck-1 Black dragon archfiend-2 Black Skull Dragon-2 First of the Dragons-1 REFMD Add staples. Odd-eyes absolute dragon, R4 stuf (very easy with protector), etc. If you decided on a Kinka or 2, try Beast eyes. Stone + Byo = free 3000 beater no poly required That should at least streamline the build.So should I run Rank 1s? Also, why Absolute? I have no Odd-Eyes cards.I mean, if I wanted to build an Odd-Eyes Deck, I would've, but I wanna build Red-Eyes, and a Rank 7 that only supports Odd-Eyes doesn't really help me.I just...I don't really know what the deck is supposed to do now. I had the video to help me see how the version I modified worked, but this is rather confusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 i ran this deck with drsgon ravines and dragon shrones and i then abused red eyes spirit, the other red eyes trap and silvers cryi also used flamvell guard which allowed me to trish or lv8 synchroalso you dont need summoned skull at alljust you trance archfiend and use dragons mirror on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 also you dont need summoned skull at alljust you trance archfiend and use dragons mirror on it He does need Summoned Skull if he wants to Summon Archfiend Black Skull Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 He does need Summoned Skull if he wants to Summon Archfiend Black Skull Dragon.Question is why would you, it's not even that strong, and adding dead draws to the deck just makes it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Question is why would you, it's not even that strong, and adding dead draws to the deck just makes it worse. I used to run it somewhat similar to this (excluding the ritual), but I can't even answer why I/other people run it that way, as yeah, it is actually not that great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 I used to run it somewhat similar to this (excluding the ritual), but I can't even answer why I/other people run it that way, as yeah, it is actually not that great.I mean, it'd be much better if Red-Eyes Fusion could use the Gemini Summoned Skull because then you could at least CotH and re-summon it and blah blah, but yeah, being forced to use regular Summoned Skull sucks major balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Should I run r1s?If you add in Byo and feel so inclined, why not. The new sylvan is pretty good. Ghostrick Dulahan is pretty good too. It's up to you tho. If you think it will help then go for it. Why odd-eyes Absolute?It's a generic r7 utopia. Literally no other reason. If you don't thin you need it then don't run it. I could see why it wouldn't be that useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Manju's pretty ok since the Ritual is great (it finds REDRUM iirc) but rest is a mess. The fusions are all horrid really, so no need to run any kind of fusion engine. Kinka-Byo is amazing as mentioned because it gives you access to Beast-Eyes Pendulum Dragon which forces you to tribute the Metal Dragon for another search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Black dragon archfiend is pretty rediculous tbh. Potentially 5600 damage armades from 1 card is nothing to laugh about. Yeah it shouldnt be the goal of the deck, but IMO REF should always be run at at least 1 since you can search it so easily. First of the dragons is also pretty good. At the very least it forces your opponent to burn some resources or they lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Black dragon archfiend is pretty rediculous tbh. Potentially 5600 damage armades from 1 card is nothing to laugh about. Yeah it shouldnt be the goal of the deck, but IMO REF should always be run at at least 1 since you can search it so easily. First of the dragons is also pretty good. At the very least it forces your opponent to burn some resources or they lose.Problem is that both Summoned Skulls suck, that's why the fusion is mediocre as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Yeah it shouldnt be the goal of the deck, but IMO REF should always be run at at least 1 since you can search it so easily. The problem here with REF is that, yeah, it's searchable (and it forces you to run a dead draw, which was already mentioned), but you do not run any cards at the moment that allow you to trigger Black Metal Dragon's searching effect, outside from hoping to draw into it so you could set/equip it with its effect and waiting for it to be sent to the Graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Also isn't Red-Eyes Flare like a strictly better regular Red-Eyes? You gain nothing out of it being a vanilla when you drop Red-Eyes Fusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Also isn't Red-Eyes Flare like a strictly better regular Red-Eyes? You gain nothing out of it being a vanilla when you drop Red-Eyes Fusion. Wow, I didn't even see that he wasn't actually playing Flare to begin with. Yeah, Flare is better than regular Red-Eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted August 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 So, could I get some actual numbers of what to take out and what to put in?Because no offense to Progenitor, but half of what he says to put back in seem to be suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 -2 Summoned Skull -3 Red-Eyes B. Dragon -3 Red-Eyes Fusion +1 One for One +3 Kinka-Byo +3 Red-Eyes Black Flare Dragon +1 Foolish Burial -5 Red-Eyes fusions +3 Beast-Eyes Pendulum Dragon +2 cards of choice Those are non-negotiable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 wow why would you ever minus all red eyes b dragon like are you badi mean seriously if you are going to make suggestions at least know what the funk the cards dobeast eyes pendulum dragon is ocg and no need to run a fusion that isnt even that great just to face all those ocg decks you dont even need summoned skull for the fusion you cab just use red eyes archfiend with dragons mirror why would you even suggest foolish burial over dragobs shrine seriously dont make these funking posts where you dont know anything about the deck and say its non negotiable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 wow why would you ever minus all red eyes b dragon like are you badi mean seriously if you are going to make suggestions at least know what the funk the cards dobeast eyes pendulum dragon is ocg and no need to run a fusion that isnt even that great just to face all those ocg decks you dont even need summoned skull for the fusion you cab just use red eyes archfiend with dragons mirror why would you even suggest foolish burial over dragobs shrine seriously dont make these funking posts where you dont know anything about the deck and say its non negotiable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 i dont even understand what that even meansare you trying to be funny or smart or? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 wow why would you ever minus all red eyes b dragon like are you badi mean seriously if you are going to make suggestions at least know what the funk the cards dobeast eyes pendulum dragon is ocg and no need to run a fusion that isnt even that great just to face all those ocg decks you dont even need summoned skull for the fusion you cab just use red eyes archfiend with dragons mirror why would you even suggest foolish burial over dragobs shrine seriously dont make these funking posts where you dont know anything about the deck and say its non negotiableBecause Red-Eyes Black Flare Dragon is strictly better? Vanilla when needed, has a possibly effect. Beast-Eyes is OCG alright...but so is Tracer which he is already using so deck is already OCG/TCG. And Beast-Eyes turns any Kinka-Byo into a search with Black Metal Dragon. 3k body + a search from a normal summon. Thing is Red-Eyes Archfiend isn't a dragon so it doesn't get any support of the deck. Neither is it level 7. And mainly because I forgot Dragon Shrine is a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 except 3 lv7s isnt enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 except 3 lv7s isnt enoughI like how it's the only point you refuted after all that flame :^) Also what's the last monster before the ritual, the 2-of one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog King Posted August 22, 2015 Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 the kinka into black metal isnt even that great of play, yes you get the search and etc but you are better off removing the other ocg guy and making it tcg only archfiend may not be supported but its still a better draw than summoned skull and you can abuse it with spirit lateryou can also summon it with black stone lol also i like how you had nothing to comment about how 3 lv3s isnt enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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