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[R.Surraco]

I want to try. I'll go with... whatever scrapes you leave me. Just pick one for me and I'll work it.

 

R.Surraco
Weaknesses: Art; Terrible at playing; Sanity
Strengths: Fun factor; imagination; good at writing concepts
Trivia: I'm definitively not a meme, but my dA self most likely is a meme.

[ChampionZero]

Personally? Konami just went full retard.

 

Look, I only got convinced that Synchro, Xyz, and Pendulum Summoning were OK because I watched their respective anime (in-progress with Arc-V, but eh) and got into it. So if Konami wants me to buy into this, they better have made their best anime yet, and I'm DAMN hesitant to accept that, considering the guys in Arc-V just went to the Synchro dimension, and I'm STILL not getting the same level of awesome as I got with ZeXal this far in, I'm going to be critical as all hell.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

You're not the only one who disapproves of the changes Konami just made. Granted, it does slow down the game from being OTK central, but that's a fault on Konami's end (they should've design proofed their own stuff before releasing). And even then, this was far too dramatic a change; least for most players. People who still use Monarchs don't really care because minimal ED.

 

(Do I have to start learning new era Monarchs?)

 

(Decks can still work, but now you HAVE to run Link Monsters to use the Extra Deck, or hope you don't rely on it too much. The other mechanics could be ignored if you wanted to without adverse effects, but this one literally says "you must run me or your Extra Deck is dead")

 

I want to try. I'll go with... whatever scrapes you leave me. Just pick one for me and I'll work it.

 

R.Surraco
Weaknesses: Art; Terrible at playing; Sanity
Strengths: Fun factor; imagination; good at writing concepts
Trivia: I'm definitively not a meme, but my dA self most likely is a meme.

 

Right now, Draco isn't accepting new members, but do his monthly Deck challenges and you'll be up for consideration. That, and prove that you'll be active in here.

[Draconus297]

Oh hi, Surraco! I remember you!

 

Yeah, what Sakura said. Sorry, but apps are basically restricted to people who give AGM Deck Challenges a shot, until further notice. If you like, I could suggest Deck builds to make, but beyond that . . . *shrugs*

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Well, we had shadowliepard make a Link based theme, but Tinkerer told her off (well, just for everyone to hold off on it until we get more info, considering how recently we got it). Speaking of her, I think she and someone else was on the list of members trying to get in, but we never agreed on them.

 

Then again, we have that Kexotero kid saying "oh, but they already exist". Well, we'd like to wait until they're officially released and Konami clears up a lot of misconceptions about them at present. (Yes, I'm calling that member a kid in a similar vein to how Night addresses a lot of members, but comparatively, he is still new compared to the rest of us.) Still though, we can just ignore the Link prompts in that thread (or rather, we ARE ignoring them).

 

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That being said, Nyx hasn't spoken about his opinions of the changes (and whoever else I didn't mention that's active here).

[ChampionZero]

Blastercubes are done, at least until I make a loop back to add whatever's missing for all my old stuff. For now, I think I'll move on to either Wingrays, White-Horned, or a smaller series.

[R.Surraco]

Oh hi, Surraco! I remember you!

 

Yeah, what Sakura said. Sorry, but apps are basically restricted to people who give AGM Deck Challenges a shot, until further notice. If you like, I could suggest Deck builds to make, but beyond that . . . *shrugs*

 

I would like those Deck Challenges! Where do I find them? I'm also giving the Archetype Game a shot myself. i'm good at creating stuff in that vein, even if I suck at the game (haven't won a single duel against living players with my Odd-Eyes deck because I kind of screw up every single time).

[Draconus297]

Okay, the basic premise of the Deck Challenge is that once a month I'll bring up a random theme to build a Deck around with AGM cards. This month, it's Fusion with named Materials, so you need to show off a Deck list designed to Fusion Summon a Fusion monster that directly names its Materials, using cards that exist in the AGM.

 

Here's a pretty comprehensive list:

 

●Any Spiritrinket build you damned well please- with only 4 exceptions, every Spiritrinket Fusion uses named Materials. Bonus points for actually trying to run Darbas, Spiritrinket of the Sacred Tome, which I designed as a very powerful joke- trying to Summon it is asinine, but the sheer amount of power and spey it has makes it absurd.

●A Toon Deck based around Toon Fusion]. This way, you can use classic monsters you may have an attachment to, such as Dark Paladin, Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon, or B. Skull Dragon.

●Any Amazoni build. All their Fusions rely on named Materials, and as a bonus they can be Contact Fusioned.

●Certain Fiendrache builds. A good deal of their Fusions require names, with 3 exceptions off the top of my head.

●Double Thorn Dragon, a "generic" Fusion in line with Twin-Headed Thunder Dragon. (Check the Generics thread).

●Any Zord build. All their Fusions require names.

●Darkhorse Victory Turbo. Not exactly the ideal Darkhorse build, because they really really like their Synchro, but a Heavy Storm on legs that you can Contact Fusion (that is Summoned by destroying[!] its mats) is pretty sweet.

 

I'll come back and add links to this post if you want them.

[R.Surraco]

Mmm... interesting, I'll take the challenge. Link me up.

[Draconus297]

The links to the named cards/archetypes now exist. Also, in the OP, you can check "Approved Outside Cards" for any Konami cards you feel like using.

[The Nyx Avatar]

Well, we had shadowliepard make a Link based theme, but Tinkerer told her off (well, just for everyone to hold off on it until we get more info, considering how recently we got it). Speaking of her, I think she and someone else was on the list of members trying to get in, but we never agreed on them.

 

Then again, we have that Kexotero kid saying "oh, but they already exist". Well, we'd like to wait until they're officially released and Konami clears up a lot of misconceptions about them at present. (Yes, I'm calling that member a kid in a similar vein to how Night addresses a lot of members, but comparatively, he is still new compared to the rest of us.) Still though, we can just ignore the Link prompts in that thread (or rather, we ARE ignoring them).

 

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That being said, Nyx hasn't spoken about his opinions of the changes (and whoever else I didn't mention that's active here).

I did on Discord, but only once here on Yugioh Card Maker. With that said: The Link monsters on their own look fine. I can look past the new rule for Pendulum. But I hate the new rule for Extra Deck monsters. Bringing out no more than one unless you have more zones from a Link monster.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

I wouldn't mind Link Monsters as much if they didn't FORCE you to run them just to open your monster zones for the rest of the ED. Like with Fusion, Synchro, Xyz and even Pendulum, no one is forcing you to play them (even though a lot of Decks do tech some Xyz as coverage when needed), but here, they pretty much tell you "play me or hope you don't ED often" (which is pretty much a lot of Decks from 5Ds to now, and yes, us being screwed over.)

 

Pendulum rule is technically fine; not like I set a ton of backrow playing Pendulums (except in Majespecters for obvious reasons).

 

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Also a note for everyone that I have updated the rulebooks for both sections; most you guys need to know is that you're required to post the written info for your cards underneath if you use pics. So Nyx...you'll just have to post the stats as well now (in the event Imgur goes down or they stop free image hosting). 

 

There's also a WIP proposal to address cards designed for legacy play (like us):

• Add a tag system to CC; Legacy/Standard
• Make subsections in existing Casual and Advanced areas, and only tag for Singles/Multiple Cards
• Make a copy of Advanced to deal with Legacy formats, and leave existing Casual/Advanced alone.

[The Nyx Avatar]

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I wouldn't mind Link Monsters as much if they didn't FORCE you to run them just to open your monster zones for the rest of the ED. Like with Fusion, Synchro, Xyz and even Pendulum, no one is forcing you to play them (even though a lot of Decks do tech some Xyz as coverage when needed), but here, they pretty much tell you "play me or hope you don't ED often" (which is pretty much a lot of Decks from 5Ds to now, and yes, us being screwed over.)

 

Pendulum rule is technically fine; not like I set a ton of backrow playing Pendulums (except in Majespecters for obvious reasons).

 

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Also a note for everyone that I have updated the rulebooks for both sections; most you guys need to know is that you're required to post the written info for your cards underneath if you use pics. So Nyx...you'll just have to post the stats as well now (in the event Imgur goes down or they stop free image hosting).

 

There's also a WIP proposal to address cards designed for legacy play (like us):

• Add a tag system to CC; Legacy/Standard
• Make subsections in existing Casual and Advanced areas, and only tag for Singles/Multiple Cards
• Make a copy of Advanced to deal with Legacy formats, and leave existing Casual/Advanced alone.

What kind? ATK and DEF? Or literally everything?

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

You know how you have to submit generics for the pool, right? Same thing.

 

As mentioned in the rulebook, it's basically a backup in case either Imgur is down and we can't see the cards themselves or people can't view them for whatever reason (due to blocks imposed by certain countries/institutions).

 

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This applies for stuff going forward; anything you've posted in the past before today doesn't need it.

 

(It's not just you; everyone has to do it, self included [though I already have this]. If you're already doing Written Cards, then you're clear)

[The Nyx Avatar]

You know how you have to submit generics for the pool, right? Same thing.

 

As mentioned in the rulebook, it's basically a backup in case either Imgur is down and we can't see the cards themselves or people can't view them for whatever reason (due to blocks imposed by certain countries/institutions).

 

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This applies for stuff going forward; anything you've posted in the past before today doesn't need it.

 

(It's not just you; everyone has to do it, self included [though I already have this]. If you're already doing Written Cards, then you're clear)

Fine. But I'm not doing this for cards/sets that I've already put out in the past weeks.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

That's why I said anything from this point forward; whatever you posted before today does not need to have the text written beneath, because it'll be a massive pain to add that now. Same goes for everyone else in here.

 

(Do you really think I would've forced you guys to modify every thread you posted with pictures, even ones that came before the change? And yes, the small rule changes were in planning for a couple weeks, even before the Links stuff was unveiled.)

[ChampionZero]

Sure, the Pendulum nerf looks all fine and dandy, unless you play Pendulums which don't Special Summon easily otherwise, like, oh, I don't know, ME?!

 

But besides that, yes, Konami is forcing Link Monsters down the fanbase's collective throat by restricting the Extra Deck like this, and it's giving me some serious heartburn (figuratively and literally, I need an antacid now). Seriously, my little brother can come up with better new monster types than that, and his first response to that prompt is "Trap Pendulums!" TRAP PENDULUMS would be a better idea than this!

[The Nyx Avatar]

Sure, the Pendulum nerf looks all fine and dandy, unless you play Pendulums which don't Special Summon easily otherwise, like, oh, I don't know, ME?!

 

But besides that, yes, Konami is forcing Link Monsters down the fanbase's collective throat by restricting the Extra Deck like this, and it's giving me some serious heartburn (figuratively and literally, I need an antacid now). Seriously, my little brother can come up with better new monster types than that, and his first response to that prompt is "Trap Pendulums!" TRAP PENDULUMS would be a better idea than this!

I don't think it's too much for Pendulum. Take Majespecte for example. Set up your Scales, Pendulum Summon, and then Set. And if they proceed to Link Summon, use Majespecter Tempest or Solemn Notice. But that's just me.

[ChampionZero]

That's just it, if the new rules say you can't Pendulum Summon on the first turn, then archetypes like the Igknights, which can't really special summon otherwise, get toasted unless they go second, and even then that's risky 'cause the enemy will have some kind of face-downs!

 

On a more important subject, is anyone doing Wingrays?

[R.Surraco]

I'll try handle the zords. So the usual limits, right? 40-60 Main, around 15 extra?

 

Sure, the Pendulum nerf looks all fine and dandy, unless you play Pendulums which don't Special Summon easily otherwise, like, oh, I don't know, ME?!

 

But besides that, yes, Konami is forcing Link Monsters down the fanbase's collective throat by restricting the Extra Deck like this, and it's giving me some serious heartburn (figuratively and literally, I need an antacid now). Seriously, my little brother can come up with better new monster types than that, and his first response to that prompt is "Trap Pendulums!" TRAP PENDULUMS would be a better idea than this!

 

My response would be evolving Deck Masters. I kind of believe it's still better than link and can do what Link is supposed to be (making the game a bit slower).

[Draconus297]

Yup. Main Deck must be between 40-60 cards, and your Extra Deck must contain a maximum of 15 cards.

 

Also, for those of you with a long memory, you know what my idea for a new ED Summon would be, and it involved a potential 22-card ED to make some breathing room for it.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

That's just it, if the new rules say you can't Pendulum Summon on the first turn, then archetypes like the Igknights, which can't really special summon otherwise, get toasted unless they go second, and even then that's risky 'cause the enemy will have some kind of face-downs!

 

On a more important subject, is anyone doing Wingrays?

 

1. Some Pendulum Decks can probably survive without their first turn summon (though I need to double check the rule if it has changed). If it did (and probably has), then it just screwed over stuff. Yeah, Warning/Strike are existent now (actually maybe Dimensional Barrier too), so if you get hit by those, you're dead. 

 

2. Not that I know of. If you want to do it, go ahead. 

 

Yup. Main Deck must be between 40-60 cards, and your Extra Deck must contain a maximum of 15 cards.

 

Also, for those of you with a long memory, you know what my idea for a new ED Summon would be, and it involved a potential 22-card ED to make some breathing room for it.

 

You may want to remind/tell us what the idea would've been (might've been a better idea than what Konami threw in our faces this past week). 

[Draconus297]

It was called "Mnemonic", and it was an intentionally temporary monster category. Similar to Fusion, it required a Spell Card, but the trade-off was that it worked like "Miracle Contact" or "Cyberdark Impact!" in that you could use Mnemonic Materials from your hand, field, and/or Graveyard, but they (and the Spell Card itself, Remembrance) had to be shuffled into the Deck. Then, the Mnemonic monster you Summon had a slowly decreasing Level- in the ED proper, they were Level 0, and their Level was based on the combined Level/Rank of the Materials you decided to use. Most of them had very powerful effects, at the cost of decreasing their Level to activate their effects. Their Level hits 0, they piss off back to the ED like a GB or Neos Fusion. However, unlike Poly, Remembrance actually did things in the Graveyard- while it sat in your Graveyard, your Mnemonic monsters gained 1 Level during the End Phase.

 

Of course, Level Eater would have to be banned, but to be fair it should be anyway.

 

Example:

 

Prehistoric Orc

DARK - Level 0 - Fiend/Mnemonic/Effect - 3300/0

3 Fiend-Type monsters

This monster gains 400 ATK times its current Level. At the start of the Battle Phase, you can reduce this monster's Level by 3: This monster can attack all monsters your opponent controls, once each. If this monster attacks, you can reduce this monster's Level by 1: Otherwise, switch this monster to Defense Position.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

At least this one doesn't require an entire revamp of the playing field just to make it work, but yeah, I still think we have enough ED types as-is. If anything, they should've just kept what they already had in terms of field setup, and toned down Pendulums on their own; not nerf their mechanic entirely.

 

(They should've design-proofed their own ideas first)

[ChampionZero]

Hey, Mnemonics don't sound half-bad. The cost of levels is a bit of an odd mechanic, but Xyz Monsters used their Materials in a similar manner, so it's not too new. Pretty neat, really. Still, you'd have to give Prehistoric Orc at least 9 Levels for it to use its effect for even one turn and survive.