Archetype Generator Meta

[Tinkerer]

How does everyone in here feel about Lightsworn in general (either the standard JD one or the Twilight forms they got in COTD)? Honestly, I'm ambivalent about them altogether; probably due to them being known for triple JD spam and boardwiping.

In the grand scheme of the AGM, they’re fine. I feel like we’ve got much better stuff overall and the only real thing they’d be adding would be mill engines. I don’t think they’d be consistent enough overall though.

 

I’m just not a fan of ‘em in general since my luck is usually fairly good except when I’m playing with/against them. Also miffed that people use Lightsworn Zombies more than regular Zombies when I’ve X-0’d all Lightsworn Zombie decks I’d ever faced using my vanilla Zombie deck. So... personal dislike.

 

Anyways, someone might need to bump the Archetype Game.

[Draconus297]

I mean, the only real issue I see is posed by the solid mill engine, coupled with Raiden becoming one of the most searchable monsters in the game. Minerva letting you search any LIGHT Dragon on-Summon could also be potentially problematic, because I think we might have some targets more dangerous than JD.

 

Basically, my problems don't come to LS as a pure Deck, or even a build mixed with the Zombie engine- I see it more as an engine.

 

Also my luck is personally quite awful, and I do frequently get hit with people who have incredible mill luck on my own brick hands.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

https://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/334071-archetype-game/page-104?p=7105234&do=findComment&comment=7105234

https://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/339517-archetype-generator-meta/page-189?p=7093219&do=findComment&comment=7093219

 

Top one is something for me to toy around with after I finish Psyshock Strikers; bottom is a list of archetypes I had some hand in writing and feel like doing later. But we'll see how it turns out. 

 

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And while I don't like advertising sheet, go vote in the CC Awards if you want to [inside Contests]. Will be a lot better than me having to arbitrarily decide it on my own (well, barring Dova because he's gonna do it later). Speaking of which, Dova's going to be gone until 27th due to camping (see his status). 

[Draconus297]

Okay, I'm only going to be on for a little bit, so I'm just going to quickly outline some important things:

 

● Fur Hire of all things have a Link, apparently? I'd appreciate if someone dropped its name here for barring purposes.

●I'm probably going to be expanding one of my little series in the Generics thread (likely Cuneiforment or Refiber, but Wiretug is a real possibility) into an actual bonafide archetype with its own CC thread in the next few days. If any of you have a preference regarding which one to expand upon, or have support ideas, I'd be glad to hear you out.

●My support thread is getting awfully close to necrobump territory, but I don't want to small-wave it. I'm giving us Speedroid Scratch from the anime, and designing a Dragunmetal card, but I kinda want to make a third card. Anything needing support, either due to leaning too much on an outside card or not having much in the way of its own plays?

●I'm going into selection for my next archetype, and thinking that I'd like to do something a little less formulaic. If any of you have ideas, I'll hear them out, but otherwise . . . Game-diving.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Okay, I'm only going to be on for a little bit, so I'm just going to quickly outline some important things:

 

● Fur Hire of all things have a Link, apparently? I'd appreciate if someone dropped its name here for barring purposes.

●I'm probably going to be expanding one of my little series in the Generics thread (likely Cuneiforment or Refiber, but Wiretug is a real possibility) into an actual bonafide archetype with its own CC thread in the next few days. If any of you have a preference regarding which one to expand upon, or have support ideas, I'd be glad to hear you out.

●My support thread is getting awfully close to necrobump territory, but I don't want to small-wave it. I'm giving us Speedroid Scratch from the anime, and designing a Dragunmetal card, but I kinda want to make a third card. Anything needing support, either due to leaning too much on an outside card or not having much in the way of its own plays?

●I'm going into selection for my next archetype, and thinking that I'd like to do something a little less formulaic. If any of you have ideas, I'll hear them out, but otherwise . . . Game-diving.

 

1. Folgo, Justice Fur Hire (and yeah, that thing came out of left field without warning). I really don't like it having Decode arrows though, even if it can draw up to 3 cards. 

 

2. (leaving blank for now)

 

3. You technically have two months to bump from last post if you add enough stuff; better you just add a little bit here and there now so the timer resets. 

 

4. What type of playstyle do you want to go for this time? Given this post, assuming something with less gimmicks than normal.

[Draconus297]

1. Thanks.

 

2. In case you haven't checked them out, Cuneiforment are a Rock-Type R4 engine with a focus on changing their battle positions, Refiber are EARTH R3 Fairies that do a lot of popping and plus off of it, Wiretug are Level 2 DARK Flip Cyberse that function like a mix between handtrap stun Ghostricks and classic FlipRocks like Medusa Worm and Guardian Statue.

 

3. I know. I just always work in multiples of 3. 3, 6, 9, 12, etc.

 

4. The issue isn't the gimmicks, it's formulaic card text design. The prompts that ask for effect formulas are easy to make, and make fast, but they get boring after a while.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Also have to bump up my legacy support thing, especially since now I HAVE to update it given it's been 24 days since I last posted. 

 

But then again, I did make new ZPD cards and maybe some other stuff. Plus with the Metalfoes addition, I can probably add that Metalfoes/Igknight combo Synchro. Guess I'll do it later. 

[Tinkerer]

So, uh, I was looking through the generics and I didn’t realize the AGM had a somehow more broken version of S0 Utopic Zexal:

 

Card Diviner Atropos

EARTH - Level 1 - Fiend/Ritual/Effect - 500/500

You can Ritual Summon this monster using "Divination of Fate". Once per turn, during either player's Main Phase 1, you can declare 1 card name: If that card is in your opponent's Deck, you can place that card on top of your Deck, and if you do; Your opponent cannot activate cards or effects until the end of your next Main Phase 1. If you control another face-up Ritual monster, your opponent cannot target this monster for attacks or effects. This monster gains 300 ATK and DEF when the effect of a Ritual monster is activated.

 

...it isn’t the most searchable card, but the opponent being locked out of any card or effect activations is just way too good, especially since a level 1 Ritual isn’t as resource intensive as a high level one.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Do we know who made this card? Because sure as hell wasn't me, as I haven't submitted any Rituals for the generics (oh hell, only Rituals I made for this club are in the YCM Heavenly Sovereign archetype).

 

But either way, yeah, the effect lock needs nerfing, especially since a lot of Decks technically are c/p now and run certain generics/staples that are easy picking and can be declared. 

[Draconus297]

You've got me. I have no idea, especially because (looking at the approximate time period it would have had to have been submitted, by what other things were being made around that time), that's about when we had a bunch of temporary newbies sending me Generics over PMs I would just delete after C/P.

 

Looking at the way the other two "Card Diviner" Rituals function, though, their playstyle seems to prey on said staples and punish opponents for using them. While a ZeXal lock is definitely no good, I'm not exactly sure how to replace it to keep it in the established theme. Since it was obviously made by someone who isn't in the club anymore, we could just cut all three Diviners and their Ritual Spell, or just fix Atropos.

 

Updated queue:

Galaxy, bar "Number 38: Hope Harbinger Dragon Titanic Galaxy", "Number 42: Galaxy Tomahawk", "Number 62: Galaxy-Eyes Prime Photon Dragon", "Number 83: Galaxy Queen", "Number 90: Galaxy-Eyes Photon Lord", "Number 95: Galaxy-Eyes Dark Matter Dragon", "Number 107: Galaxy-Eyes Tachyon Dragon", "Number 107: Neo Galaxy-Eyes Tachyon Dragon", and "Galaxy-Eyes Solflare Dragon" (3/4 - Sakura, Draconus, Dova)

Majespecter (2/3 - Sakura, Nyx)

lswarm, bar Origin and Ophion (2/4 - Nyx, Dova)

Yosenju (2/3 - Sakura, Nyx)

Lightsworn, bar Curious (1/3 - Kyumi)

Qli, bar Genius (1/3 - Dova)

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Probably remove them from AGM at this point, though I should take a look at them. 

 

As for Qlis, I think I gave them an okay for addition, but if I didn't; yeah.

 

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EDIT: Just modify Atropos; the other two seem alright. 

[Tinkerer]

So, I'ma just request Thunder Dragons to be added to the cue when their Spell/Trap support is revealed.  They look awesome.

 

It definitely has nothing to do with my gift card from Draco being pretty much a 1-card Super Thunder Dragon or anything.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

I'll give it a tentative approval too until I test run them.

 

Oh hell, I still gotta design Elementsaber stuff, but until YGOPro stops being stupid and lets me test run them properly, yeah. 

[Draconus297]

??? Which gift card? Neither of the ones I've made you thus far do all that much with the new Thunder Dragon support bar triggering the Fusions iirc.

 

Speaking of gifts, though, I seem to have forgotten my Skype password, so unfortunately I don't have Yui easily accessible for arranging Secret Santa this year. I'll try to fix that in the upcoming months, but I'd appreciate alternative solutions if anyone has them.

 

Also, UPDATED QUEUE!

 

Galaxy, bar "Number 38: Hope Harbinger Dragon Titanic Galaxy", "Number 42: Galaxy Tomahawk", "Number 62: Galaxy-Eyes Prime Photon Dragon", "Number 83: Galaxy Queen", "Number 90: Galaxy-Eyes Photon Lord", "Number 95: Galaxy-Eyes Dark Matter Dragon", "Number 107: Galaxy-Eyes Tachyon Dragon", "Number 107: Neo Galaxy-Eyes Tachyon Dragon", and "Galaxy-Eyes Solflare Dragon" (3/4 - Sakura, Draconus, Dova)

Majespecter (2/3 - Sakura, Nyx)

lswarm, bar Origin and Ophion (2/4 - Nyx, Dova)

Yosenju (2/3 - Sakura, Nyx)

Qli, bar Genius (1/3 - Dova, Sakura)

Lightsworn, bar Curious (1/3 - Kyumi)

Thunder Dragon (1/3 - Tinkerer) [awaiting full lineup]

 

Does it bother anyone else that three of the Decks in the queue are stun-based?

[Tinkerer]

Oh, what the heck, bump Galaxy in.  Should be interesting.

 

I meant Return Bolt.  Technically, if you can Summon it after using its effect, you can just tribute it to get Super Thunder Dragon.  I guess it also works as insurance for Thunder Dragon Lord if they tried to negate its effect.  Then you'd get 2 pops.  Doesn't really fit with the MD, but it is DARK, so that's ...something?

[Draconus297]

God, that's a still a long-ass exception string. I can't think of any other pre-VRAINS archetype that has a chance of getting in that we'd need exception text of that length for. The closest I can think of is Gimmick Puppets requiring 6 (literally all their Xyz, because we specifically said no Numbers), but even that's kinda pushing it.

 

Also, anime characters month in the Challenge is just going to be a parade of Kaito and Yuya now, maybe a Pegasus for flavor, I can feel it.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

I'll give Thunder Dragon.dek a vote to get into AGM; that should be all of their stuff. 

[Draconus297]

I'm not so sure, Sakura. I'm probably going to vote them in, because I like the playstyle, but something is telling me that they'll get a Link, either in SOFU or the pack after. I'd rather wait until I have my exception text in line.

 

Also, fun fact, remember me mentioning Ascent of Fusion a while back, and how it was waiting for one crazy interaction to become busted? Thunder Dragons would be that interaction, as putting Twin-Headed and two classic Thunder Dragons on board simultaneously is some crazy sheet in those cases where you don't open up any copies of the original.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

If they're getting Links, then it either has to be after Solflare or Folgo, because I do suspect SOFU will contain the last World Legacy archetype and some of those Link slots may be taken up by their stuff. Then again, we do have 2 more weeks until it releases officially in Japan, but lineup is usually this (as far as VRAINS goes):

• Yusaku's Main Deck
• Whichever other characters warrant stuff
• World Legacy storyline things
• Technically good generics
• Pack filler
• Yusaku's Extra Deck / SS stuff
• Other main character's stuff
• Old legacy support
• New support Links
• Main character backrow
• Other character backrow
• Random backrow (including obligatory pack filler)

And even with Savage Strike being a potential thing (name of next pack), that's still not until October.

 

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Fur Hires got the Link out of nowhere, so none of us expected that. IDK, I suppose I could try to make a MR3 equivalent for our uses (probably Contact Fusion or send stuff), but we'll see how that goes later. 

[The Nyx Avatar]

Whether or not any of you care, I think it be best that I leave this here.

 

This weekend I begin my vacation from work, which will span...pretty much a whole February (28, 29 days) this July. Unfortunately, given my scenario, this may also mean a vacation frok my service, Internet, and whatnot. So if I disappear this weekend, you'll know why. Just thought I should let at least you guys know.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

It's fine; I don't think your absence will cause any problems, considering all group projects here are done for the moment and well, we're not really doing much. Most you may miss is probably outside club stuff and whatnot, but it shouldn't be major. 

[Draconus297]

New month, new challenge!

 

July

The rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air, gave proof through the night, that we took on this dare: DESTRUCTION EFFECTS! Trap Holes, Raigeki, Dark Hole, original and Blazing Mirror Forces, Red Dragon Archfiend, anything and everything that blows sheet up real good! Note that the effect must specify destruction- no cheating with that "send" nonsense, you hear?

[Tinkerer]

I'd like to add:

 

Lord of D.

Lady of D.

Divine Dragon Ragnarok

Rude Kaiser

 

King Dragun

Queen Dragun Djinn

[Draconus297]

I'd like to point out that we had three of those cards already. Lord and Lady of D. were added when King came out (because King lists Flute of Summoning Dragon by name, Flute lists Lord by name, and I wasn't adding Lord without Lady), and Divine Dragon Ragnarok was part of my list of Normals I added when I was on a kick.

 

Anyway, I'm working on a personal project. A subset of the archetype is a bunch of monsters with the same Level. 1, or 3? For background, it's (so far) 2 each of Pyro and Aqua, and 1 Thunder monster, called "Breatharrage"- essentially, they're ammunition for the Level 5 Dragons of the archetype.

[Tinkerer]

Huh, weird.  I didn't see any of 'em when I was scrolling through the OP.  Must've missed 'em.

 

Anyways, level 1; feels appropriate for the use as ammunition if that's their only purpose.  If not, then L3 I suppose.

 

 

Gotta look for a new project.  I kinda want to play around with an odd mechanic, and I've gotta get out of this rut where I make my archetypes overly floaty.  Maybe I'll do one of my own prompts for once...