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[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Yeah, Hymn of Light is hers.

Blessing of Light (or w/e uses same location) is Sauravis. 

[Draconus297]

Alright, added.

 

Oh, by the way, Melon, you mentioned that you wanted to do Helios/Paraphys Chaos. That's probably what you had been thinking of.

 

Edit for updated queue, now that F.A. are officially a Synchro archetype:

 

Performapal (2/3 - Kyumi, Champion)

Odd-Eyes (2/3 - Kyumi, Dova)

Lightsworn, bar Curious (1/3 - Kyumi)

Cloudian (1/3 - Draconus)

F.A. (1/3 - Draconus)

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

I'll voice support for F.A. if that helps you any; though it's also contigent on what they get later on. 

 

Also for Elementsabers and Elemental Lords, I guess we can nominate them now, as it's unlikely they'll get any new toys past whatever we got at the moment. But...still wait until Friday-ish to be sure.

[Tinkerer]

Oh, by the way, Melon, you mentioned that you wanted to do Helios/Paraphys Chaos. That's probably what you had been thinking of.

Right! I couldn't remember the other one.

 

 

I suppose I'll vote F.A. in. Issue is there's (probably) still 2 unrevealed cards for this set and possibly another set of four cards next set + any OCG Support cards once the deck gets imported over there. Long story short, though we know the deck goes into a Synchro, there's still the tentative possibility of it bringing in MR4-type stuff in other cards.

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

If that's the case, then just treat those MR4 cards as playing in ARC-V mechanics. If it references Main Monster Zone, then just regular MZ. For Extra Monster Zone, uh, yeah, we'll have to see how to work around it, or similar to what I did for Raiten, make a copy of said card(s) that don't go here. 

[Draconus297]

Exactly.

 

I had only been worried because the archetype had had only Main Deck members, like SPYRAL and Subterror used to. The OCG seemed to take that as an invitation to give them Links, and then one of the more disgusting formats in recent memory happened (also, we got something nobody uses, but shhh). Now that they have a Synchro, and only one, there's a good to decent chance that Japan might just ignore them altogether.

 

Regarding MPB and Raiten, that much is true. Exception text has had us remove a lot of Link-era support (plus CDI and Lavalval Chain), but we can always make things that work for the archetype in place of the things we remove. Inzektors should be fine now with 2 copies each of Hornet and Dragonfly, Noble Knights don't even really use Isolde, we've converted Aroma into a really solid Synchro archetype, Shaddolls have Construct back and a bunch of other Fusion archetypes to play nicely with (with Double Fusion, you could hypothetically make Shekhinaga/Grysta and the DARK Wyvernite from your Deck with Wyvernite Dolls), Junk has a good amount of extra support, Sakura immediately replaced Raiten for MPB, Subterrors have a small army of easy FLIP support cards to abuse, Laval have s few other new Graveyard support cards . . . everyone who would have gotten a Link benefits more from the AGM than from the one-card support Konami has deigned to give them, with the exception of Cyber Dragons (who lack Core, CDI, and Megafleet, with no replacements made). If F.A. do get a Link from the OCG, I'm willing to bet that the support I make will do more for F.A. as its own Deck, rather than just busting the game.

 

I'll wait for Friday for Elementsaber/Elemental Lord cards, sure.

[Tinkerer]

Why do we not have Cyber Dragon Core, again?

[Draconus297]

It was a concession made so that we could have Machine Duplication. I made it clear that we were to have either Core or Dupe, and consensus favored Dupe.

[Draconus297]

I just realized that I was so excited to write monthly Deck Challenges in advance that I skipped September to write an October challenge I can't wait to see entries for . . . the problem being that September doesn't have anything particularly neat about itself I can apply to a Challenge. School starting? Fall beginning? Labor Day? Don't really work without having to jump through hoops. I only managed a September challenge last time because of the six Attributes.

 

Also, queue and junk:

Performapal (2/3 - Kyumi, Champion)

Odd-Eyes (2/3 - Kyumi, Dova)

Lightsworn, bar Curious (1/3 - Kyumi)

Cloudian (1/3 - Draconus)

Elementsaber/Elemental Lord (1/3 - Sakura)

[Dova]

I vote Cloudian. Sure, whynot. No ideas for the deck challenge, but I'll probably be participating. I think it's a good way to improve my deck building skills, considering the only thing I've purely built myself recently is Shinobirds.

 

Hey, Shinobirds! What does our Spirit line-up look like again?

[Draconus297]

There's one archetypal Spirit (the Ice Barrier one, which bounces one of your opponent's cards instead of itself during each End Phase if you have another Ice Barrier out), then we have Aratama/Nikitama, Tsukuyomi, Yamata Dragon, Amaterasu, Yaksha, Kinka-byo, Asura Priest . . . and I'm pretty sure that's it.

 

That brings Cloudians up to two! One more, and we'll have every relevant Counter (Spell, Ice, Venom/Hyper Venom, A, and Fog), plus several Counter archetypes of our own.

 

Edit with update: I've completely planned out the 2018 Deck Challenges.

[Dova]

Planning on doing this after Xage.

 

Phantom Code

An ABC-like contact Fusion-centric archetype of DARK Cyberse monsters. The maindeck monsters are all Normals, including a few Tuners here and there. Their main trait is that the monsters have fragments of coding text, while their flavor text drop hints for arranging an entire code, as if it was encrypted or whatever. Thus, the Fusions are Contacts of said monsters that merge those fragments to get the full code, so to speak. Another interesting trait is that some of those Contact Fusions require specific archetype Synchro and/or Xyz monsters, so you have to Summon those first to access the bigger code; this is also hinted in the flavor text of the vanillas.

Since the archetype monsters are Normals, they heavily rely on their Spell/Trap support, as well as Normal support. Also, since the Fusions have the specific names of the monsters written as materials, you can also play stuff like Prisma, Fusion Conscription, etc.

 

Next:

Overflux

I'd rather finish Xage first, as I'm still keen on it, but this looks too cool an opportunity to miss.

 

EDIT: Updated Gold Spears. https://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/369896-agmwrittenrepost-gold-spear-infinite-milling-1010/

[ChampionZero]

I've used Cloudians. They're good for one of those enemy-of-the-week type deals you tend to get early on in the anime, but not for anything dedicated nor are they particularly powerful on their own. I'll vote 'em in.

[Draconus297]

That's a queue update.

 

Performapal (2/3 - Kyumi, Champion)

Odd-Eyes (2/3 - Kyumi, Dova)

Lightsworn, bar Curious (1/3 - Kyumi)

Elementsaber/Elemental Lord (1/3 - Sakura)

Shinobird (1/2 - Dova) (As Sakura clarified, this is a series, not an archetype yet.)

 

Also, I would like to make a point that I added the Egyptian Gods and Mound of the Bound Creator. Mostly the latter, but because it searches a DIVINE monster I just kinda shrugged and took all of them.

[The Nyx Avatar]

I'm all for Cloudian and DIVINE here! I'll give Shinobirds my vote, too. They were executed pretty poorly by the official card game, but perhaps in pur legacy support(s) we can try to improve upon them.

[ChampionZero]

OK, well. I have not done an archetype in a little while, but I will begin browsing for a prompt and create it after my exams go through.

[Tinkerer]

If the generics thread is getting too cumbersome, we should probably just make a second thread.  It may be annoying going into a whole new thread to look at all the generics, but it is probably the simplest way to go about continuing since we're gonna keep hitting against this wall.

 

Anyways, I was thinking about turning the Link Attribute boosters (Missus Radiant, Misstar Boy, etc.) into simple Contact Fusions.  Anyone have any objections to that?

[Draconus297]

It is an issue, yes, but I do not believe we need to resort to such extreme measures yet.

 

Actually . . . fun fact: I made Synchros of all of the Attribute boosters a while ago. You could do something similar with the Attribute floaters (Shining Angel, Giant Rat, etc.), though, that would be pretty kickass.

[xlArisenRoselx]

I'll vote Shinobirds in. I haven't had any problems with them before, so they are ok.

[Tinkerer]

As a sidenote: for the secret Santa thing, I did make Eshai some Gemini Spirits which, while giving them their own strong support, also includes some pretty borked support for Geminis and Spirits in general including a Raigeki/Harpie's Feather Duster for Spirits/Geminis respectively, and a pair of monsters which gives essentially unlimited Normal Summons for Geminis and Spirits.  I... kinda went overboard (pun 95% intended).
 

Actually . . . fun fact: I made Synchros of all of the Attribute boosters a while ago. You could do something similar with the Attribute floaters (Shining Angel, Giant Rat, etc.), though, that would be pretty kickass.

 

I suppose that could be done.  I just realized that we don't have a ton of generic contact fusable monsters and I felt taking them off Links (which, mechanically, feels very akin to contact fusion) would be interesting.

 

[Draconus297]

You could also do what I did and incentivize using the originals (for example, in the UFO Turtle retrain, you could have an effect that it only has if you use the actual UFO Turtle as Material).

[ChampionZero]

Hey guys? So, I'm actually working on an Archetype for this RP I'm running and I'm having trouble. It includes Dark Synchros, like the Dark Signers, and the guy wielding them is this bitter Psychic Duelist who hates one of the PC's for betraying him to join the Turbo Duelling circuit. Any ideas for a name?

 

• Level 4 Tuner
• Level 1-3 non-Tuners
• Level 5-7 Synchros that require specific non-Tuners
• Level 8 Dark Tuner
• Level 7, 4, 1 Dark Synchro
• MD monsters recycle from the Graveyard consistently and inflict minor damage each time
• Synchros lock down the opponent with floodgate effects

[Draconus297]

Personally, with that kind of gimmick (I assume the Psychic monsters are shuffling themselves from the Graveyard into the Deck) I'd call the archetype Ameleht. It's "Thelema" backwards, which is a religion Yu-Gi-Oh references consistently (Invoked, Spellbooks, and the Oraicalchos all involve its symbols and concepts), which is based on self-improvement and a search for immortality. Its name backwards fits perfectly for the constructed opposite of self-improvement: harming others.

[ChampionZero]

Oh, I should have been a little more clear: He doesn't necessarily use Psychic cards, I mean he has psychic powers, like Sayer and Akiza.

 

EDIT: I mean he could, I suppose, but I dislike LP cost effects and I'm kind of going for something darker than Psychic-types.

[Draconus297]

You can use a Type without falling prey to its typical design standards. Amorphages were a Dragon-Type archetype without any of their monsters being a direct threat, Aromas were plants that didn't spam actively, hunders didn't prioritize attacking despite being Thunder-Type . . .