Premier Alexander Romanov Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Shingetsu is bad, Getsuga is way too slow to be even considered.Umm...you DO realize Ninjas have their own Cyber Dragon, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Umm...you DO realize Ninjas have their own Cyber Dragon, right?Um...you DO realize it's a really bad card, yes? And running a bad card to make a mediocre card live is one way to make your deck completly unplayable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Um...you DO realize it's a really bad card, yes? And running a bad card to make a mediocre card live is one way to make your deck completly unplayable.Earth Armor Ninja -> TS Getsuga -> Get back 2 Ninjas.Three monsters off of a Normal Summon is never anything to disregard.Plus, if you're running Fire Armor Ninja as well, you could go for Rank 5 plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Earth Armor Ninja -> TS Getsuga -> Get back 2 Ninjas.Three monsters off of a Normal Summon is never anything to disregard.Great. Then you draw Getsuga and Earth Armor turn 1. Suddenly you have a 3 card hand. Or you draw Earth Armor when you have a board. Suddenly you didn't draw a card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Great. Then you draw Getsuga and Earth Armor turn 1. Suddenly you have a 3 card hand. Or you draw Earth Armor when you have a board. Suddenly you didn't draw a card. So we should never run cards that aren't always live then? Raigeki, Bottomless, Solemn, Dark Hole, Compuls, Torrential, Soul Charge. All redundant turn 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 So we should never run cards that aren't always live then? Raigeki, Bottomless, Solemn, Dark Hole, Compuls, Torrential, Soul Charge. All redundant turn 1.Oh yeah, a self-summoning monster is surely comparable to cards that ruin your opponent's day. Sure, some cards are dead draws turn 1, but the payoff usually makes it worth, Payoff for Raigeki, BTH, Solemn, Hole, Compulse, Torrential, Soul Charge, is huge. Earth Armor Ninja is...uh, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 holy sheet, everyone shut the funk up The earth armor ninja is garbage. Poor stats, outdated effect, and opening earth + getsuga means nothing without foolish burial or something Getsuga is bad. At present. He is not a reason to run Ninjas in any way. May he be one? Possibly, but Ninjas suck, and he's unwieldy as hell. Not to say he can't work, but it's not likely to work as it's too slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 holy sheet, everyone shut the funk up The earth armor ninja is garbage. Poor stats, outdated effect, and opening earth + getsuga means nothing without foolish burial or something Getsuga is bad. At present. He is not a reason to run Ninjas in any way. May he be one? Possibly, but Ninjas suck, and he's unwieldy as hell. Not to say he can't work, but it's not likely to work as it's too slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Oh yeah, a self-summoning monster is surely comparable to cards that ruin your opponent's day. Sure, some cards are dead draws turn 1, but the payoff usually makes it worth, Payoff for Raigeki, BTH, Solemn, Hole, Compulse, Torrential, Soul Charge, is huge. Earth Armor Ninja is...uh, yeah. But imagine if you draw Raigeki and Soul Charge turn 1. Suddenly you have a 3 card hand. Or you draw Raigeki when your opponent has no monsters. Now you didn't draw a card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 holy sheet, everyone shut the funk up The earth armor ninja is garbage. Poor stats, outdated effect, and opening earth + getsuga means nothing without foolish burial or something Getsuga is bad. At present. He is not a reason to run Ninjas in any way. May he be one? Possibly, but Ninjas suck, and he's unwieldy as hell. Not to say he can't work, but it's not likely to work as it's too slow.I at least tried.For once on this site, I thought of a combo that could work in the deck.It's a gimmicky combo that's only good mid-game, but I actually came up with it myself, to justify using this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 But imagine if you draw Raigeki and Soul Charge turn 1. Suddenly you have a 3 card hand. Or you draw Raigeki when your opponent has no monsters. Now you didn't draw a card.Keep resorting to extreme examples to prove trash cards be good if you want to. Except then Raigeki becomes a +X when they flood the board. Soul Charge becomes a +X once you develop your grave. Earth Armor is a +funking nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of the Abyss Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Earth Armor Ninja -> TS Getsuga -> Get back 2 Ninjas.Three monsters off of a Normal Summon is never anything to disregard.Plus, if you're running Fire Armor Ninja as well, you could go for Rank 5 plays.Tbh as much as I am all for Getsuga this sounds rather meh. You mostly will want to focus around Hanzo and Golden for R4s and maybe tech some Traptrix for an excuse to run even more Traps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Keep resorting to extreme examples to prove trash cards be good if you want to. Except then Raigeki becomes a +X when they flood the board. Soul Charge becomes a +X once you develop your grave. Earth Armor is a +f***ing nothing. I don't even disagree with this particular point but the way you phrase things makes me want to argue against you. Yes, Earth Armor Ninja isn't good but it's a theoretical way to get Getsuga on the board quickly which can set up a lot of other things. It wasn't being suggested that EAN was going to become a real power play, it was a suggestion of a way that Getsuga could potentially be summoned quicker than otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 I don't even disagree with this particular point but the way you phrase things makes me want to argue against you. Yes, Earth Armor Ninja isn't good but it's a theoretical way to get Getsuga on the board quickly which can set up a lot of other things. It wasn't being suggested that EAN was going to become a real power play, it was a suggestion of a way that Getsuga could potentially be summoned quicker than otherwise.A bad card to theoretically get a mediocre card onto the board. What is this "lot of other things"? What, gonna run Air Armor Ninja too for a rank 5? Value! Let's go down onto the ground finally, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 A bad card to theoretically get a mediocre card onto the board. What is this "lot of other things"? What, gonna run Air Armor Ninja too for a rank 5? Value! Let's go down onto the ground finally, shall we?Why would you run Air Armor? It decreases Levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Honestly, what ninjas need is a level 4 cydra, or an unexpected dai kinda deal to really make the best use of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Why would you run Air Armor? It decreases Levels....it reduces? Holy hell nevermind it's even more trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 A bad card to theoretically get a mediocre card onto the board. What is this "lot of other things"? What, gonna run Air Armor Ninja too for a rank 5? Value! Let's go down onto the ground finally, shall we? Let's say, in this crazy hypothetical scenario totally detatched from reality, that your opponent has Raigeki'd or otherwise boardwiped you but not killed you, so you get another turn and it's around mid-game so you have a few Ninjas in the grave. EAN>>>Gats. With the vast amount of 2 mat rank 4s that exist, that means you have available to you lots of other things. If you happen to have 3s and 5s in the grave, then there are further options on top of that. That's what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 ...it reduces? Holy hell nevermind it's even more trash.Exactly. You would use Flame Armor because it can make itself LV5 for the Rank 5 play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Let's say, in this crazy hypothetical scenario totally detatched from reality, that your opponent has Raigeki'd or otherwise boardwiped you but not killed you, so you get another turn and it's around mid-game so you have a few Ninjas in the grave. EAN>>>Gats. With the vast amount of 2 mat rank 4s that exist, that means you have available to you lots of other things. If you happen to have 3s and 5s in the grave, then there are further options on top of that. That's what I meant. For reference, you are playing this one combination of cards for 1 hypothetical situation. Not the best unless it's a common enough occurrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Let's say, in this crazy hypothetical scenario totally detatched from reality, that your opponent has Raigeki'd or otherwise boardwiped you but not killed you, so you get another turn and it's around mid-game so you have a few Ninjas in the grave. EAN>>>Gats. With the vast amount of 2 mat rank 4s that exist, that means you have available to you lots of other things. If you happen to have 3s and 5s in the grave, then there are further options on top of that. That's what I meant.Yeah, in that situation, it's great. But then a question: you run 1 of each? You won't get them when you need them. You run 3 of each? You'll dead draw yourself every second game because you'll draw those useless monsters instead of something to actually advance your game in early turns. Exactly. You would use Flame Armor because it can make itself LV5 for the Rank 5 play.My point was that you wouldn't. If summoning 2 monsters from hand for a rank 5 is the best your deck can do maybe you shouldn't play that deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 For reference, you are playing this one combination of cards for 1 hypothetical situation. Not the best unless it's a common enough occurrence. I wouldn't use Earth Armour, but I'm just trying to establish the possible uses it has as that was the context in which it entered the discussion. Both are searchable enough anyway that being run at 1 won't hurt you if you should choose to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier Alexander Romanov Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 My point was that you wouldn't. If summoning 2 monsters from hand for a rank 5 is the best your deck can do maybe you shouldn't play that deck.Flame Armor increases its Level upon Summon.So you could make a Rank 5 every single turn just by grabbing the detached Materials back from the Grave with Getsuga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 I wouldn't use Earth Armour, but I'm just trying to establish the possible uses it has as that was the context in which it entered the discussion. Both are searchable enough anyway that being run at 1 won't hurt you if you should choose to do so.Shapesnatch has a possible use. Flame Armor increases its Level upon Summon.So you could make a Rank 5 every single turn just by grabbing the detached Materials back from the Grave with Getsuga.Granted Getsuga even lives for longer than a turn. Plot twist: won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENMaker Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 Shapesnatch has a possible use. Granted Getsuga even lives for longer than a turn. Plot twist: won't happen. Which is where CotH becomes your MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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